My question is, do all of the copies of a given human like Cylon know they are really Cylons or do they believe they are human? For example, I believe that Galactica Boomer really knew she was a Cylon; she was in heavy denial for awhile. Dr. Cottle might not know he’s really a Cylon but the doctor back on Caprica certainly knew. I guess certain copies are given the knowledge according to need to know?
There would be certain clues, like the door ripping off the hinges if you opened it without unlocking.
It seems like they are given what they need to know. Basically they maintain their individual identity, but they can also get information from some mainframe somewhere. Galactica Boomer only began to think she was a Cylon when she started having blackouts and woke up covered in water and detonators after she blew up the water tanks. Caprica Boomer had been uploaded with all of Galactica Boomers memories and whatnot (except for the ending) but she also knew she wasn’t her.
Now the question I have is where was that screening room at the end of the episode? I imagine it wasn’t on board the human fleet for obvious reasons.
Being an evacuee and watching this show with 10 other people sure makes it hard to listen to. What was Theater Boomer’s comment when she saw pregnant cylon alive. She said something about losing two to get her there or something. I totally missed it.
This one didn’t do much for me. I guessed the reporter was a cylon early and the plot for this episode has been done to death. The only part that was interesting to me was Adama. His character has gone to soft and needs to stiffen a bit or he’s going to lose control of the ship. Oh, and the original theme music was by far the best part of this episode.
Speaking of the video signal they were watching, “We lost two raiders to (acquire it?) but I think it was worth it.”
Which BTW suggests that Cylon was the same model as the reporter, but not the reporter.
Best wishes and regards, Road.
One thing bugged me about this episode. The Six-in-Baltar’s-Head has been baiting Baltar to take a more powerful leadership role in the fleet, for oh, just about the whole series since the fleet’s been on the run. If the Cylons really want to use Baltar as a pawn to take control of the fleet, then why was the Cylon reporter so dismissive of him (i.e., “what a strange little man”). You’d think that including Baltar in the report and protraying him in a positive light as a way to boost his political capital would’ve been a top priority of hers. This of course, assumes that she knows that Baltar’s humanity has been “compromised” by Six…it is rather intriguing trying to figure out what the individual Cylons know about the details of their plan, and how this information is communicated amongst them.
Pure speculation on my part so I’m not going to spoiler box it, but:
I think that what Baltar is seeing is NOT a cylon. It think it’s…
…the Devil. Or Count Ibli, or whatever name you want to use.
Well, there were people right there. It would have looked kind of funny if Baltar had done his lurking/skulking/stammering act in front of everybody, and then the reporter had turned around and made him out to be the second coming of Aragorn or something.
If so, then that’s a nice piece of subtlety on the part of the writers. So, does this indicate that she knows Baltar is a Cylon pawn and she was trying to cover his ass, or does she not know and just simply thinks he’s an extraordinarily weird version of human?
One other thing. Can someone explain why those two cylon raiders were required for the transmission of the Boomer-baby portion of the tape that was cut? Can living meat-cylons only transmit data over very short distances, whereas the raiders can relay that data over longer distances? Or was it simply a fact that the distraction of dealing with a raider attack allowed the reporter to transmit the video on the sly?
The Raider attack was a set-up.
The Cylon reporter did a good job of covering all the command center stations with that camera, didn’t she? The timing of the Cylon attack- two raiders out of the darkness seems a little light for a surviving battlestar- was perfect for her to observe the reactions of the crew, and identify key personnel to take out when they make their Big Move.
They transmitted the whole broadcast to the fleet anyway; it wouldn’t require much for the Cylons to pick up a coded signal with the entire transmission (including the “cut” parts.)
It’s too bad that the Cylon reporter didn’t bring her gloves. Now that would have been a good fight- Starbuck vs. Xena!
I can think of exactly one good reason.
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What? Why in the world do you think Doc Cottle is a Cylon?
So far, we’ve seen six of the twelve Cylon models: three male, three female; I wonder if there are six of each?
Not a bad episode… I like the original theme music, too.
How did Cylon Reporter Lady know that Tigh’s original threat was from the poetry book? Are we supposed to assume that someone told her about it? I would’ve thought it would have been kept somewhat under wraps.
Yes, well said. Sci-fi is at its worst, IMHO, when it’s overly preachy. It’s fine to have a point or moral or whatnot, but don’t whack me over the head with it. Still, the twists at the end left me feeling like I enjoyed the episode rather than annoyed, so I guess it was a success.
Just misdirection on Moore’s part. I still think she’s a toaster.
There were a few things in here that didn’t add up. Why would Xena-Cylon identify the guy who wrote the poetic threat to Tighe? If X-C could use the raider attack to send out the Boomer in sick bay clip, why not just transmit all of her raw film to date? It looks like they watched the documentary in the theater (on Caprica, the sub-title said, by the way, msmith) and then just that one clip. I would have thought that there was a lot of raw footage (like the O2 scrubbers) that didn’t get into the final edit that would be of interest.
as far as the two raider attack, could also be for redundancy, Raiders jump in, one Raider distracts the Vipers / gives the Mass-Driver cannons a moving target, other Raider swoops into AirPort MegaSuperFrakkinAwesomeExtreme range (802.11 ZABCD for non Mac-Compatible Toasters), XenaToaster uploads the footage she shot in FinalCut Pro Part IX (the Final Final Cut) to Raider #1, Raider #1 uploads to Raider #2, any surviving Raiders jump back to the home BaseStar
the Meatbag toasters use some spare parts to modify the mechanicals (a plastic bowling pin for a mouth, a lacrosse facemask for “hair”, soapdish and ping-pong balls for eyes, the other Toaster is given a gumball machine for a head), Meatbag Toasters go into the theater with their “robot freinds” to watch the experiment…errr…movie
(i honestly thought the only thing missing from the “movie” ending was Tom Servo and Crow )
I think some people are still thinking like the Cylons are human and therefore would use human tactics. I have to think that they already know as much as they ever need to about the inner workings of a Battlestar. It seems pretty obvious that they could wipe out the entire fleet any time they choose if they really wanted to.
I suspect that the individual cylon models can’t transmit information very far (or at all maybe until they are killed). Otherwise why would they speak to each other (other than for our benefit) when there are no humans around? Why do they need to watch a video instead of just transmiting data to each other?
One of the problems anytime you have an AI enemy is that AIs don’t need to speak in english to each other. But it’s not compelling drama watching a bunch of networked machines saying 01101011 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100001 00100000 01100100 01100101 01110011 01110100 01110010 01101111 01111001 00100001 back and forth.
And why doesn’t Lucy Lawless fly in this episode?
They know human religion better than the humans; why wouldn’t they know human poetry?
I agree it shows that the ToasterNet has a finite range. The XenaBot couldn’t transmit to the next relay station on her own - yet somehow Imperious Leader knew to send a token Raider attack at just the right time. Dunno.
The spectator meatbags seemed most interested in finding out that “Our Baby” is still okay, so they didn’t know that before either. FWIW, we now know that there will be no serious attack on Galactica as long as the precious Boomer Version 2.0 is there and preggers, or for that matter as long as the Demon Seed (if you haven’t seen that flick, you should) is with the fleet.
I was getting pissed that the story line wasn’t advancing, until that last scene - hoo boy, it advanced! And we’re going to get more Xena, too (I was always a Gabrielle man myself, but she’ll do), and in her natural blondeness and Kiwi accent, at that.
Two things I thought were interesting:
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Caprica Cylon-leader Boomer referring to her Galactica-dwelling incarnation in the first person. Is this indicative of some sort of identity issues specific to the Boomer model or is it a general failure of the english/colonial language to deal with a multiple simultaneous individual?
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If the Six in Baltar’s head is indeed real rather than a delusion, why the seeming lack of recognition on the part of either cylon. Is six really so self-confident that she can make Gaius seem other than loopy for more than two sentences at a time?
Tell that to the Borg.