Many thanks, SM!!
True, but then we can’t say a same sex relationship wouldn’t advance the plot if it were shown in the context of people moving on with their lives.
Besides Capt. Kelly, you know who else would be good? Lt. ‘Catman’ Birch. He was the guy Adama tried out as the CAG while Apollo was off being mutinous. I remember listening to the podcast for that episode (Home: pt. 1) and RDM said he felt bad for the actor because he’d probably never find a reason to use him again. But I remember him, and occasionally wonder what he’s up to.
Regarding the current spoiler discussion: I think that’s pretty cruddy Lucy Lawless took the role than changed her mind. How do you box an entire model series anyway? Wouldn’t some of them run for it? Are the Cylons free to create a new model so there are still 12? I also would have picked Leoben for boxing, come to think of it. He’s pretty well off his rocker.
Come to think of it, I saw something in the previews from last week’s show I assumed we were going to see in this week’s episode, but it didn’t happen. It sure as heck looked like Adama was captured by the Cylons and he was talking to them. At one point he said “Apollo’s leading them to Earth.” Or something like that. I wonder what’s up with that?
I think that is from Episodes 7 & 8. :eek:
I’m not quoting, because it’s already looking like classified documents in here, but regarding the current spoiler under discussion:
[spoiler]From what I have read, it seemed like the decision to deactivate an entire Cylon model was made so that the Cylons would have casualties equivalent to the Colonials. Moore & co. are determined to show how high the danger is, so they’re planning on killing off some significant – and fan favored, apparently – characters. They didn’t want to leave the Cylons out of the carnage.
Lucy Lawless had apparently signed on for a limited run, anyway. Same, apparently, with Dean Stockwell. It’d be easy to write any of the Cylon models out other than Six or Boomer, and just bring them in for cameos. We haven’t really seen Leoben or Doral show up that often, and Simon almost never.[/spoiler]
Our only contact with the Cylons coming up seems like it will come through Baltar. Presumably, he’ll be on a BaseStar – and we don’t know that all the Cylon models are represented on the BaseStars. For all we know, it will be Baltar, Six (= Lucifer), and his merry crew of hundreds of naked Boomers.
If so, then James Callis has truly sold his soul, the lucky bastard!
As for Ron…well, that’s big of him! 
Regarding the same discussion:[spoiler]That strikes me as a very poor decision on RDM’s part. He’s only got 12 Cylon models. Why would you bring in big name actors for limited runs? He needs to find a way out of the “there are 12 models” trap, or choose his remaining models very carefully.
Unless his intention all along was to eventually end up with a small, core group of surviving Cylon models.[/spoiler]
Reminds me of a joke from the Tiny Toons movie:
Buster: But I can’t marry both your daughters…that’d be bigamy!
Big Daddy Boo: No, that’s big of ME.
(budda-boom crash) 
Bigamy: One wife too many
Monogamy: see Bigamy
Ow! Ow! Ow! Honey, it was a joke!
About that spoiler…
I think boxing Lawless is a good thing. She’s one of the cast that just screams D-list bland television talent to me, and she always strikes a flat note compared with some of the better actors and actresses on the show. By far, she’s my least favorite Cylon model. It’s a good thing that she represents the bitch factor in human behavior, because that appears to be the limit of her range as an actress. Box her and ship her back to Stargate or wherever she came from, I say.
And I also think that in re: the no gay characters thing…
The evidence is legion. Where does he come from? We do not know. Parents? Right, they were ‘nuked.’ Convenient. Who has he laid in the fleet? No one…that we know of! Gaeta is not only gay, he’s a Cylon. A gay Cylon. A gaylon.
A Gaylon! My dreams come true. Gay speculation doesn’t need to be spoiler-boxed, I shouldn’t think.
Gaius Baltar: Darlinig!
Dina Six: Oh, I’m not that Six, I’m her sister Dina.
Gaius Baltar: Oh, well, sorry, I’m trying to…
Dinga: Where are you going?
GB: I seek my spiritual love child! I have seen it in this Basestar!
D6: Oh, no! Bad! Bad bad Six!
GB: What the frak?
D6: Oh wicked, bad, naughty Six! She’s been stealing human babies again!
GB: You mean it’s not a Cylon-human hybrid?
D6: Oh wicked, bad, naughty, evil Six! We have but one punishment on the Basestar for counterfeit hybrids! You must tie her to the bed, and spank her!
(about 100 8 models): A spanking! A spanking!
D6: You must spank her, and spank her well. And after you have spanked her, then spank me!
(Random 8’s from the crowd) And me! And me! Me too!
D6: Yes, you must give us all a good spanking!
(8’s): A spanking! A spanking!
D6: And after the spanking, The Twirl!
(8’s): The Twirl! The Twirl!
GB: Well, that doesn’t seem so bad…
Lee Adama: Doctor Baltar!
GB: Er, yes?
LA: Dr. Baltar, come quick!
GB: Do I have to?
LA: Dr. Baltar, you’re in grave danger!
GB: I really don’t think…
LA: Quick, the Galactica is coming with nukes!
GB: I think I’m quite alright. I can tackle this lot with my bare hands!
(All Cylons): Yes, let him tackle us with his bare hands!!
LA: Don’t listen to them! (grabs Baltar) Come with me to the Raptor, NOW!
GB: No really! I can handle this lot easily!
(All Cylons): Yes, let him handle us easily!!!
GB: I can defeat them, I swear!
(All Cylons) Let him defeat us! We haven’t a chance!
(LA and GB dissapear through the hatch)
D6: Oh, FRAK!
Plagiarism raises it’s ugly head… 
But you didn’t plagarise the best part! And the most relevant to the current discussion!
Lee Adama: We were in the nick of time. You were in great peril.
Gaius Baltar: I don’t think I was.
Lee Adama: Yes, you were. You were in terrible peril.
Gaius Baltar: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.
Lee Adama: No, it’s too perilous.
Gaius Baltar: Look, it’s my duty as a knight to sample as much peril as I can.
Lee Adama: No, we’ve got to find the Holy Grail. Come on.
Gaius Baltar: Oh, let me have just a little bit of peril?
Lee Adama: No. It’s unhealthy.
Gaius Baltar: I bet you’re gay.
Lee Adama: Am not.
Oh yes! Very good! Excellent, and quite perfect! Somebody should just email this to David Eick. I hear he’s got a video blog. We need this as a skit!
Try taking out some of the knight and Grail references, though!
Some people were saying that Jammer was in the suicide bomber scene and should have been blown up and therefore might be a cylon. Can anyone confirm or deny this definitively?
The Adama-Tigh reunion was touching but I was hoping Adama would comfort Tigh with an actual hug upon learning about his loss rather than getting distracted by his fanclub.
I found it interesting that only the cylon agents that had already been revealed dared have a presence on New Caprica. Were they afraid that the humans would escape and they would still need their secret agents, or is it possible that they themeselves don’t know who the other 5 models are?
The Tigh scene with his wife scene was tragic but interestingly written. I like how he didn’t really do anything. She confesses, takes the cup on her own, and says she needs to sleep. If she new what was going on and commited suicide then this was very well written. If she wasn’t aware then it was all a bit too pat.
All of Starbuck’s plotline just didn’t work for me. There was some interesting set up but it didn’t seem to pay off. The fact that the girl was just a stolen human child used to mindfuck Starbuck was cool, but the instant discovery od said fact was cheesily portrayed. And how do Leoben’s visions work? Could he really not sense the overwhelming insincerity of Starbuck’s “I love you” in his vision? Or is this all a set up for something that happens later on? I love Starbuck and I love Leoben, but neither were well served the past few episodes. I hope I’m missing something that either was going on or was set up to happen later.
I hope they don’t go overboard with the whole cylon collaborator thing. Whereas Tigh’s wife and Baltor collaborated in a way that was traitorous (handing over secret documents that would lead to a mass execution), none of the other supposed collaborators were in my mind in the same category. I think the whole police force=collaborator thing was too copied from Iraq an unrealistic. I would much rather have a human police force than a cylon one. I can see if the police started comitting atrocities, but everyone was against anyone even thinking of even joining up.
Obviously a theatrical device for a TV show. Other might be there unseen do our Dear Viewers.
Again, a theatrical device. They can’t spend much time on it.
Apparently Cylond also suffer from testosterone poisioning.
Hey, they carted folks off to be killed, hiding behind ski masks like terrorists or a SWAT team. Bad boys.
Let me rephrase. I would agree, if they were helping little old ladies across the street, but they were doing the dirty work for the Cylons, like the Vicky French gathering up Jews for the Nazis.
Yes, we could substitute “president” for “a knight” and “Earth” for “the Holy Grail” - but then I wouldn’t want to plagarise, oh no! Besides, Earth is the Holy Grail to some. For some it’s a Basestar of naked Boomers. I’ll just start to get worried if I hear some of those going after the collaborators start shouting, “Burn him! Burn him!”…
Gaeta: I’m not gay I’m not gay!
Tigh: But you are dressed as one
Gaeta: They dressed me up like this!
Crowd: We didn’t! We didn’t…
Gaeta: And this isn’t my genitalia. It’s a false one.
Tigh: [lifts up his false genitalia] Well?
Crew 1: Well, we did do the genitalia.
Tigh: The genitalia?
Crew 1: And the hat, but he is gay!
Crowd: Yeah! Burn him! Burn him!
Tigh: There are ways of telling whether he is gay.
Crew 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Tigh: Tell me. What do you do with the gay?
Crew 1: Burn them.
Tigh: And what do you burn, apart from the gay?
Crew 1: More gays.
Crew 2: Wood.
Tigh: Good. Now, why do the gay burn?
Crew 3: …because they’re made of… wood?
Tigh: Good. So how do you tell whether he is made of wood?
Crew 1: Build a bridge out of him.
Tigh: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Crew 1: Oh yeah.
Tigh: Does wood sink in water?
Crew 1: No, no, it floats!.. It floats! Throw him into the hydrotanks!
Tigh: No, no. What else floats in water?
Crew 1: Bread.
Crew 2: Apples.
Crew 3: Very small rocks.
Crew 1: Cylons.
Crew 2: Gravy.
Crew 3: Hera.
Crew 1: Mud.
Crew 2: Churches.
Crew 3: Lead! Lead!
Adama: A Duck.
Tigh: …Exactly. So, logically…
Crew 1: If he weighed the same as a duck… he’s made of wood.
Tigh: And therefore…
Crew 2: …gay!
[sub]What do they expect with a name like ‘Gaeta’?[/sub]
Brilliant!