Battlestar Galactica 3.4 - "Exodus, Part Two" (spoilers)

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
Gah! Bad plant! Naughty!

Flying motorcycles are in Galactica: 80, the series with Wolfman Jack and creepy Dr. Zee and only one good episode at all.

The “old series” is Battlestar: Galactica, with Zarek as Apollo, way before he needed to moisturize, moisturize, moisturize.
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It was the same two guys who looked like a walking ad for Liquid Prell.

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  1. It totally fit with Leoben’s character: he’s a lying, dishonest sonofabitch: what he did tore up Kara’s heart big time
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If Starbuck needs a heart, she will have a new one issued from ship’s stores.

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[QUOTE=Clark K]
Didn’t understand why Pegasus couldn’t have jumped out once Galactica was safe.
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The whole idea was to get the civilian ships off New Caprica. Had Pegasus jumped out once Galactica was safe and gone, that would have left at least two – and, I think, three – Base Stars over New Caprica. None of the remaining civilian ships would have made it out at that point.

That’s why both Lee and Adama knew it was a one-way mission: they had to give the civilian ships time to get away, and since the BaseStars were going to outnumber them, they’d only do it by sacrificing a BattleStar. They just disagreed on which one to sacrifice.

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Pretty much what I expected: Absurd, but fun to watch. I mean, Pegasus fragmenting and taking out two Bastestars? Frakking come on. I bet the writers were laughing their asses off over that one. Because it was absurd. And fun.

And uh, 3? Why nuke the city? They’re all gone, silly Toaster. “Run, Baltar! Save humanity!” Um, dumbrak, they saved themselves like an hour ago. I dunno, maybe there was some overlapping chronology there, but why would 6 and Baltar have to worry about the nuke one way or the other, Hera or no? Everyone’s gone, for frak’s sake. Oh, well, minor nitpick.

The free-falling Galactica was very, very cool. Good Orange Fireballs all around! And yeah, you just knew one way or another Pegasus was gonna bite it. Big loss, though. It’s just the Bucket once again!

Gods that was a ridiculous end to the New Caprica Occupation. Whatever. It’s done. At least they pulled off a very competent Dumb Action Flick. Very exciting, lots of stuff going boom to distract the cerebral cortex before you utilize it, hair-raising stunts, all of that explodin’ goodness.

And although it felt a little rushed, Ellen’s execution* was quite moving. I think we can expect Saul Tigh’s character to grow considerably from the sometimes cartoonish drunk, angry sumbitch. The Executive Officer is going to be a cold, ruthless, motivated angry sumbitch, I’m thinking, hungry for Cylon blood. Vengeance is what he’ll be after. Expect some very hard feelings between him and Anders, and that’s gonna drag in his old antagonist, Starbuck, I’m guessing.

*If she wakes up in a frakking tank I’m gonna shit!

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[QUOTE=Clark K]

I thought Ellen’s demise came a little early?
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The others would have killed her then and there if Tigh hadn’t.

[QUOTE=Clark K]

Didn’t understand why Pegasus couldn’t have jumped out once Galactica was safe.

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The crew had to leave lest they couldn’t jump before Galactica escaped.

[QUOTE=Clark K]

The evacuation of the ships was too easy. I wish a couple of them had been taken out by raiders as they were lifting off.
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That, Sir, is just mean.

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[QUOTE=Apos]
Actually, I thought the Kasey thing was handled in the best way possible:

  1. Kara won’t be dragging around a kid
  2. It totally fit with Leoben’s character: he’s a lying, dishonest sonofabitch: what he did tore up Kara’s heart big time
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I too think this was the ‘right’ way to answer the “waht is kasey” storyline… Kara’s part of it is far from over… unlike a different Captain, she gave in to her captor’s wishes.

I liked how they handled Ellen’s ‘end’… She knew not what befell her, as fitting an end as could be had, and in the hands of Tigh… who was always there when she needed him.

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I kinda want to just forget the whole Kara’s-pseudo-poptart thing ever happened. I have a feeling I’m not going to be allowed to do that.

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
The whole idea was to get the civilian ships off New Caprica. Had Pegasus jumped out once Galactica was safe and gone, that would have left at least two – and, I think, three – Base Stars over New Caprica. None of the remaining civilian ships would have made it out at that point.
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Which would be a perfectly good explanation, except for the part where the civilian ships were all jumping to FTL about 100 feet off the ground. Heck, why bother to take off at all?

Pretty good episode, overall. Horrible opening speech with Lee and Dualla, however. God, who wrote that overwrought shit? On the other hand, the exchange between XenaBot and Baltar about the consequences vs. the necessity of leaving was pretty sharp. How could two equally cliche’ speeches have come off so differently?

Glad to see the Pop Tart fall into the hands of the toasters, since that seems like a fairly promising storyline for the promised “Plan.” The Kara/Kacey storyline ended up exactly where I thought it would, but Katee Sackhoff pulled off the reaction extremely well. And Tigh’s “Not everybody” was just heartbreaking. Good stuff.

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[QUOTE=Clark K]
Where did the term “goodlife” come from? I don’t remember hearing it on the show. Is it a Straight Dope coinage?

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In this context, it’s an Oakieism ™. Inspired by (mumble stolen directly from mumble) Fred Saberhagen’s most excellent Berserker stories, used to refer to humans who chose to serve the machines (Cylons)

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That was a thrill ride and a half!

I can’t believe I got choked up watching Ellen Tigh croak. I think I’ve said this in every BG thread this season, but I still can’t believe how much they got me to feel sorry for her after the way I hated her last season! Saul really looked wrecked after that. I can see him going either of two ways: he could become a vengeful hunter of collaborators or be too tired and beaten to continue the fight.

Galactica falling out of the sky and launching vipers was awesome.Who thinks of these things? Between this and the double fake out over the fuel yards in a previous season, they’ve come up with some brilliant tactics.

I was pretty sure the Pegasus was coming to Galactica’s rescue, but the way it was filmed was incredible. First we see Adama resigned to getting blown to bits. Then they show Galactica just getting pounded by basestars only to pan out and show some artillery come hurtling at a basestar, and then the Pegasus comes into view. That was very well done.

Loved, loved, loved seeing Pegasus take out those basestars as her last move. Again, I suspected she’d be destroyed, but the scene was so very well done. Seeing Pegasus (like Galactica earlier) getting pounded and on her last legs, then see her crash into a basestar only to see her take out another one in the explosion (improbable as it may be) was just awesome.

I liked the resolution of the Kasey (Casey?) story. I had all these speculations: is she a Starbuck clone? a young cylon? Starbuck’s actual child (shudder)? I never considered the simple, obvious choice that she was just a random kid with the right coloring that Leoban grabbed off the street. It was a total :smack: moment for me!

The scene with Starbuck looking shell shocked, Tigh looking exhausted, and everyone else cheering with joy while Adama looks over his shoulder at his old friend was also very well done.

One thing I didn’t like. The timing was confusing with the evacuation vs. the cylon nuke. When Baltar and Caprica Six went to stop D’Anna, I kept thinking “why, aren’t the ships already away?” Obviously not, but it was confusing for a moment.

It looks like Roslyn is the president again. I’m not sure how colonial law provides for succession when the acting president turns traitor, but I wonder if it matters. Who the hell is going to challenge her?

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[QUOTE=minty green]
Pretty good episode, overall. Horrible opening speech with Lee and Dualla, however. God, who wrote that overwrought shit?
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And I don’t think you’d get less chemistry if you mixed helium and argon together. Could it be deliberate, this “I’m proud to have you as my wife!” crap? Because you do know, don’t you, that Lee has a permanent torch for Kara. It’s just so frakking obvious that’s going to rear its ugly head at some point.

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[QUOTE=minty green]
Which would be a perfectly good explanation, except for the part where the civilian ships were all jumping to FTL about 100 feet off the ground. Heck, why bother to take off at all?
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Presumably, had the BaseStars not been engaged, they could have shot down the colonial ships even if they were only 100-ft. off the ground. Otherwise why have the Galactica jump in at all? Just have Boomer steal the jump keys and jump directly away.

… Well, we all know why they had the Galactica jump in – for the frackin’ cool spaceship battle scenes. But that necessarily dictates that the backstory support that reasoning. Hence, BaseStars must be able to target into the atmosphere, thereby providing a threat to the civilian ships that Galactica had to neutralize.

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[QUOTE=MaddyStrut]
Who the hell is going to challenge her?
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As noted up-thread…Zarek. He is next in line.

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I have a feeling that Starbuck and Leoben aren’t finished yet. That numb look of surprise on Starbuck’s face told me she realized she’d been played superbly by Leoben yet again, first in the interrogation episode, when Leoben introduces her to Casey the first time, and now this episode where Casey’s real mother smoothly snatches her up from Starbuck.

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[QUOTE=silenus]
As noted up-thread…Zarek. He is next in line.
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He might just decide to serve as her deputy (at least for awhile) rather than challenging her outright.

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[QUOTE=silenus]
As noted up-thread…Zarek. He is next in line.
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Not unless he is a real, X^2 bastard.
Of course, with Ron Moore at the helm, he may very well be. :slight_smile:

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Seem’s to me Zarek has had a change of heart, but that change may have been very context-dependent. Once they’re all back on the run, and it’s politics as usual, he might turn into a frustrated revolutionary again. At any rate, I don’t think he was faking his remorse over the choice to settle on New Caprica, nor his concern for Roslin’s safety during the evacuation.

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[QUOTE=Lightray]
… Well, we all know why they had the Galactica jump in – for the frackin’ cool spaceship battle scenes.
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Correct. But one cannot simultaneously recognize this reality and still bitch about the tactical realism with any persuasiveness. Heck, one nuke dropped in from orbit and the whole colony is dead. Fact is, the battle was just frakkin’ cool.

(Can’t wait for the HD version to be broadcast on UHD in a month or two. That’s gonna be one hell of a good looking battle.)

Except that the civvies were already jumping by the time the Pegasus went kamikaze.

Look, I agree the sci fi continuity could have been handled better. But do you want more exposition, or do you just want to have a damn good show? They erred on the side of the latter this time, and I can’t really fault them for that. Not too much, anyway.

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[QUOTE=silenus]
As noted up-thread…Zarek. He is next in line.
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Sure, Zarek’s still around, but I don’t see him getting much support even if he does have a better legal claim. He helped lead the push to settle New Caprica. I think most people are going to believe that was a mistake. Roslyn’s certainly got a huge public following now. I doubt anyone can challenge that public support at least for the near future.

Plus, Zarek was on the list for extermination along with Roslyn. He could have been removed from the VP post.

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I may as well bring this up now, since one of the last scenes had one of them in it: The “imaginary friends” of both Baltar and Six. I mean, it’s been, what, four months? Did it not occur to Baltar at some point to ask Six, now that they’re back together, in the flesh, about that copy of her running around in his noggin? She feeling shy about him dropping into her consciousness unannounced? Just never came up?

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[QUOTE=Loopydude]
Did it not occur to Baltar at some point to ask Six, now that they’re back together, in the flesh, about that copy of her running around in his noggin?
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Maybe he’s too busy trying to find little blue pills.

Or maybe, Pal, you’ve got a problem, a problem confusing people with the facts.

That’s a damn good question, one I’d like to hear Ron Moore address on a pod cast while he’s drinking Scotch I can’t afford, placating his Wife and counting his money.