Wouldn’t it be weird if both inner-6 and inner-Baltar knew about eachother?
On the imaginary friends deal, has either of the real versions ever displayed knowledge of something that would only be known to the imaginary version? I’ve been under the impression that each was used as a literary device to reveal inner conflict in the real versions…like a personification of the Id or somesuch…
Well, I mean, it was a rather pressing question a few episodes back, if I recall. Is she a chip? A delusion? An angel of the Cylon god? He got his head scanned, went through all kinds of crazy shit to try and find out what in the holy frak was going on with this woman only he can see and…he forgot? Granted, a lot has been going on during the occupation, but still. Mental 6 and Meat 6 can even be in the same scene together and…no biggie? No urge to say “Darling, I was meaning to ask you…I keep seeing you when you’re not there! You wind up knowing all these impossibly unknowable things…well, not you really…it’s hard to follow, but, anyway, did you put a frakking chip in my head or what?”
I gotta wonder if that could actually happen. Though I also wonder if mental Baltar is just going to be dropped, never to appear again.
It’s too late for me to try and figure this out.
I need cigarettes.
I haven’t smoked in six years.
Damn you.
They’ve lost a bunch of civilians, I’d like to see them take a few of the civie ships, armor up and put some hardpoints on them. Like escort frigates for the BSG now that Pegasus is toast. That could make for another story arc.
I’m still just in awe of Ron Moore’s continued creativity. The whole New Caprica story could have gone into the toilet, but he pulled it out and stripped boring layers off the characters and added new ones. Ellen’s death was an amazing scene, and with her gone, Tigh can either descend into an alcoholic hell or become the ultimate hard man. Starbuck will have an interesting reunion with Leoben in the future, but she’s free to become her old self. Lee’s still a threat to the fleet’s food supply, but I felt like he got some of his resolve back. Cat proved herself as a CAG, and Helo as a bridge officer.
Whereas watching Lost has become an exercise in been-there, done-that, BSG managed a complete reinvigoration in the third season. I love this show!
(Only thing that bothers me is that everyone got fracking married. I think this will seriously mess up the military aspect of the show, and I don’t want it to become Days of Our Lives on a Battlestar. I really hope that doesn’t happen.)
Great story telling, again! My favorite part was not so much when Starbuck knifed the toaster, but when she twisted the knife just right. And I thought the thing with the kid was off-- she seemed way too old to fit the timeline.
So, is Apollo going to drop some el-beez by next ep?
So what happened to Gaeta? Was he still on Colonial One when “President” Roslyn showed up, or did he take off on another ship? If he’s back with the fleet, will he be an early lynch victim, as few know what he did during the occupation?
The previews seem to indicate he’ll be in some serious trouble next week, as the highest ranking “traitor” to make it back.
That is going to be a key question. There are going to be more allusions to post-Vichy France, with collaborators shaved and marched through the corridors. Count on some wrong accusations, some missed ones, and lots of tension all around. From Moore, you cab bet on it. I really hope Tigh goes cold and hard instead of alcoholic. We’ve seen the latter too often…it’s cliche. Put him in charge of rooting out the goodlifes, and let him learn a little humanity in the process.
OK, so I was wrong about the Pegasus. 
It was worth it.
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Anybody want to make a Cylon jack o’lantern? ??
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That is way cool!
If they can make one look like Tricia Helfer, I’ll really be impressed!
Wow. Just wow. There have been some weak moments this season (everyone’s excellent commentary on the piss-poor beginning of the last episode) but some scenes in this episode-Battlestar descending to New Caprica, the entire reset.
I teared up. I’m so happy I download this show off of I-tunes (bought the season pass…I don’t have cable) so I can watch stuff over again. I’ll still buy the DVDs at the end of the season, though.
Cripes, I feel like a smoke after watching this show!!
Also, why is every man and woman on this show intensely fucking hot? Even EJO is a total fox.
Okay, this episode rocked. It’s not perfect, as others have noted (another nitpick, which I think I’m the first to point out unless I missed it: it’s rather a massive coincidence for Starbuck to be introducing her “kid” juuust as the real mother is walking by, which got a fleeting :rolleyes: from me) But… the stuff that’s good? is reeeeeeeeeally good. I counted three (four? have to look at it again) moments where my jaw simply fell open.
One of those (I’m joining the crowd here) was the death of Ellen. They didn’t redeem her, exactly; far from it. But they pulled off an even neater trick: they took this horrible, awful, selfish and manipulative woman, whose death we’ve been looking forward to for a season and a half, and instead of trying to reverse that opinion, they deepened her, by stripping away any perception of senseless evil and showing that while she’s a bad human being because she’s self-centered and short-sighted and not very smart and ultimately self-destructive, she’s still a human being. And Tigh, despite everything, loves her, and she really, really loves him. Her death, in this context, is not so much justice, as it is tragic, in the old Greek sense, that is, she’s undone when her own flaws and misjudgments catch up to her.
And all the political parallels come into focus here, and pay off. I have no idea what Roslin thinks she’s doing, simply taking charge without a mandate, but knowing this show, I’d be enormously surprised if they simply let it slide. There will be consequences to this.
(Incidentally, watching last week’s episode and this one back-to-back, my viewing companion and I reflected on all the people who are trying to argue that the show’s story is some sort of explicit and deliberate allegory on Iraq and Iraq alone. These people, obviously, have never seen the classic film The Battle of Algiers. The issues in the show have much greater historical resonance than simply the headlines of the moment. Just thought I should point that out.)
And next week looks hugely intense, and like a totally logical follow-on to the plot so far. As always, as long as the Cylons are at arm’s length, and there’s no unifying enemy, humans are perfectly happy to resurrect old battles and fight with one another. Gaeta is screwed.
So: A couple of minor speed bumps here and there, but otherwise, a totally, totally satisfying pile of Galacticky goodness. Two glowing red thumbs up.
Just a little aside, because I know how us geeks like details, BGS has strong Canadian links, and the name of the group flying manouvers in the season opener were called Snowbirds - I have no confirmation on this, but I suspect that was a nod to the Canadian precision acrobatic flying team, the Snowbirds.
If someone has already posted this somewhere, never mind. 
Everyone marrying up is a problem for me, too. When you have a pool of what, 25,000 or so humans to re-start the race from, you’re going to want every woman having a baby by every man possible. Mix up the genes as much as you can, you know? Now that I think of it, that is maybe my one complaint with the show - too much military fight and not enough day-to-day how does an entire race survive something like this. It was okay for the first couple seasons, because they were still in fight-or-flight mode, but after three (four?) years, they need to start finding their new way of living.
I don’t get next week’s previews on the I-Tunes eps, what’s going to happen? Surely Gaeta can prove he’s the inside informant? If they kill him I will be pissed!
And, on second thought, I guess they were doing that on New Caprica, but now the rug has been pulled out from under them again. Okay, now they need to start finding their new way of living.
People sneaking in between my posts {shakes fist at anu-la} - they can’t ditch Gaeta - he’s extremely hot, especially when he’s having a long-overdue, much-needed meltdown at Colonel Tigh. ( assume a smiley here - I just can’t post three smileys in three posts )
After having watched the first 2 seasons on DVD, I’ve finally now caught up to real time, so I can participate in these threads. Wheeee!
Anyhow, this was definitely a good episode. I agree that the military logistics of it made no sense, in that if the ships could jump out of atmosphere 100 feet off the ground, why bother with anything else?
Cylon security is also a bit of a joke… let’s see, you’re at war with a species that has every reason to destroy you. You have the remnants of them trapped on a planet. Do you (a) steal one and only one bit from each of their ships, and then put them in a drawer somewhere with no silent alarm, and also have so few of you there that they can mount a meaningful resistance against you, and also don’t bother using ground-sonar to find the underground caves where they store all their guns, or (b) actually have a brain?
Anyhow, some overall comments on the series: I really like the characters, the atmosphere and the setting. But I think the show fails in two very important aspects:
(1) It is always willing to sacrifice continuity for a desired plot point. Does having Boomer jam a cable into her arm completely make the cylon-detecting-is-impossible plot nonsensical? Who cares, let’s do it anyways. Is there, for one and only one episode, a single cylon raider with a name and a personality, just so that Cat and Starbuck can be rivals? Sure! Does Adama, who is shown to take the idea of respecting the chain of command and the importance of civilian authority very seriously, suddenly decide to have a coup, based on a decision he disagreed with that’s already fait accompli? Sure! Does Roslyn forgive him and then it’s never mentioned again? Why not!
(2) I really don’t get a sense that the writers have a very solid idea of what exactly is going on in the universe, and in the fleet, as far as logistics and plans are concerned. During the first two seasons, it sure seemed that the Cylons were trying as hard as they could to wipe out humanity. As one would think they would have a motive to do. But then sometimes they had great opportunities and didn’t try at all. And how does the economy of the fleet work? 40,000 people isn’t very many to support an economy and a society complex enough to have political parties, a fully functioning press and clergy, etc. And what about the black market? How can there be a secret black market located on a ship when all comings and goings by inter-fleet transport are by their very nature obvious and transparent? And that black market becomes powerful enough that its boss is willing to directly cross the fricking MILITARY by assassinating a high-ranking officer? And with 40,000 people there are enough unrepentant child molestors that there is a demand for child sex slaves? One never mentioned again? And so forth…
Anyhow, definitely a good show, and MUCH better so far this season than the very lackluster second half of last season. Particularly as people may FINALLY stop trusting f*cking Gaius Baltar, who has been a serious albatross around the show’s neck.