I should think Gaeta could easily exonorate himself, as he knows a number of specific facts about the “code” used to signal the transfer of a message, the location of the drop-off, the timing and frequency of the leaks, and the content of the intel. leaked. If the writers ignore all of that content, which would instantly aquit Mr. Gaeta, they’ll be sloppily ignoring it to create more contrived drama. At this point I certainly could imagine them doing that, but I hope they don’t.
Speaking of that, did anyone else notice Ty Olsson, the guy who appears every once in awhile as Capt Kelly, seems to have lost a significant amount of weight? Originally in the mini-series, he was a little too chubby to be a bridge officer but back then I think they were trying to emphasize how the Galactica was old, about to be decommissioned, and the crew was a bit soft and undisciplined.
He’s third-in-command though you’d hardly know it. I wonder what he is now? For that matter, I wonder what everyone is now. They’ve got two of everything, crew-wise. CIC is going to be pretty crowded.
Originally both Galactica and Pegasus were under-manned. How about now? Is Galactica fully-manned or over-manned? Someone mentioned they really should think about upgrading some of the other ships and that’s not a bad idea if they’ve got extra military personnel. Is that engineer turned Deck Chief from Pegasus still around? Didn’t he used to design fighters? It’d be a shame to let his expertise go to waste but I’m not sure day-to-day logistical stuff like that is what Ron Moore cares much about story-wise.
Hogan is such a great actor. I was actually a bit surprised he killed Ellen. The odd look he was giving her during her little speech was fairly telling though. The moment Ellen said, “well, now I got that off my chest, I could really use a drink!” I knew that was last drink she’d ever take.
Technically if they’re still bent on being civilized Tigh should stand trial for murder. Not that he’d be convicted or anything but Ellen was civilian and I don’t think Tigh had the authority to execute traitors.
Just how old was that kid with Starbuck? She was able to say a few words. She’d been snatched away from her mom by Leoben and the whole time she was with Starbuck she never said something like “I miss my mommy!”
I’m glad the thing with Starbuck and the kid is resolved but the fact that out of 40K or so evacuees the mom just happened to be on Galactica standing right next to Starbuck’s Raptor was pretty lame. Starbuck knifing Leoben right in front of the kid felt a little odd too. Oh well. It’s a “dark, edgy show!”
Last week when I said the Cylons were going to give Baltar his own Basestar I was just kidding! I can’t imagine where we’re going to go with this now but I hope we get to see more cool Cylon stuff.
Er, you seem him on Galactica before the episode ends, when lots of people are disembarking and meeting up with each other. We also catch the briefest of images of him in the promo for the next episode, but not really enough to know exactly where he is or what’s going on. No doubt he’ll figure quite a lot in the “payback” plot.
Excuse me? Even? My wife demands that I call you to the Field of Honor to pay for this slander. Even?
Where do the Cylons go from here? They took heavy losses, they have the poptart, and they know the humans are heading for Earth. Why follow? Allowing time for the humans to find earth or another suitable planet, establish a society, etc. they’ve probably got at least a century before the Humans come looking for them again. They could use that time to fortify the border, and possibily expand their territory in any direction other than towards Earth.
Has there ever been reference to other lifeforms in the BSG universe?
I really don’t understand why it happened at all, except that behind Kara’s hard exterior, she’s just sad, lost little girl, the crap that got its start in The Farm. It sucked then, and it sucks now, but we’re stuck with it.
If that is their attitude, there was no reason to attack the colonies in the first place. The Cylons Prime Directive is “Exterminate All Humans.” Unless the “peaceful co-existance” group gets control, that will always drive the Cylon collective. The idea of letting the humans go would not even occur to them.
As for alien species, they don’t exist in the BSG universe and they never will. Olmos has gone on record as saying he quits the second one shows up.
Well silenus, older men really aren’t my bag, I prefer guys around my own age (the delicious Tahmoh Penniket & Gaeta & Aaron Douglas for instance) and generally get super-creeped out when dudes 30+ my age hit on me. EJO is only slightly younger than my own father. However, despite my personal preferences, I find him completely delicious and I’d totally make eyes at him on the Metro.
I agree with people on other message boards that Ellen totally saw her death coming-made the last confession to Tigh to bring him some closure and accepted the cost of her betrayal on her own.
Isn’t she supposed to have either an abusive mom or dad? Simon mentions the healed fractures on her whole body in the farm episode. I’m thinking it’s more of the whole pop-psychology-behind-the-characters the show delves into once in a while. Starbuck is a superb soldier but she is completely fracked up ad infinitum.
D’Anna made the point that whether it’s one, or two, or three or however many generations humans will never forget Cylons killed 20 billion of them. Humans can hang on to their ethnic, cultural and religious hate for a really long time and the Cylons have to assume eventually humans will come looking for pay-back.
As for other life forms I think Ron Moore made it clear there would be no aliens and EJO made it clear if any show up he’s ditching the show.
It’s funny though. No aliens, but we can have ghosts and spirits and apparitions and gods and magic, etc; etc. They can land on an alien planet with plants & trees yet apparently no higher life forms. Not even a mouse.
Personally, I don’t want them to encounter intelligent alien species either but if you can find a planet with trees on it they should establish the Lords of Kobol flew around the galaxy seeding planets with life, then.
I was thinking that towards the end of the episode-especially since so many of the characters have seen an elevation in rank and generally once people experience the pleasure of greater power they are loathe to give it up. Helo, Dualla, Starbuck, Kat, Lee…all saw promotions. Sharon was given back flight-status-is Roslin going to be able to cell her up again?
OTOH, several of the people who were down on New Caprica were broken in some way or the other-Tigh and Starbuck most notably. Are they even fit for duty at the moment? I sense the re-structuring of power is going to be a big source of conflict in upcoming eps.
Yes, her mother, I think, and, come to think of it, somehow Leoben actually knew specific things about her history, as revealed the first time they met in Flesh and Bone, well before Simon’s comments about her bone fractures in The Farm.
It’s another ball that’s either been dropped or is still airbone, so far as I can tell: What do or did the Cylons find so fascinating about Kara Thrace? They’ve clearly singled her out for attention on at least a couple of occasions, saying she’s “special” somehow, but we’ve not gotten any explanation, so far as I know.
I think they could appease both camps of the aliens thing by having Galactica stumble on a long-dead civilization. They’d save on alien costumes that would look remarkably craptastic anyway, flesh out the galaxy alot more, and probably get half a season out of it. They could make it kind of creepy too, this whole planet that’s been dead for millenia type of thing? Fits in with the mournful tone of the show anyway.
It seems to me that Meatbag cylon society is fracturing, splitting off into different schools of thought, “camps” if you will…
we have the “Kill All Humans” meatbags, exemplified by Doral , Cavill, and D’anna, this camp still follows the original Toaster protocol of total elimination of the Human species, D’anna seems to be wavering a little though
we have the “Unknown” Meatbags, Simon really has never shown much of a preference either way, and Leoben’s just plain sociopathic, don’t even think he follows any philosophy other than his own
then we have the “Can’t we all just get along” models, Six and Sharon/Boomer, these models feel that the genocide of the Human race was a mistake of Galactic proportions and want to find some way of getting along with the Humans, maybe even getting the Humans to like (or at the very least, tolerate) them, the biggest success thus far has been Sharon, heck, she was even able to regain the trust of Adama, and Adama had NO reason to trust her after she shot him in S1, i think Adm. Adama realizes that the Sharon model meatbags are “different”, more Human-sympathetic, heck, even N.C. Sharon basically staterd that she was a pacifist, and wasn’t she referred to in S1 by Six as a “defective” model (“the Sharon models have always had problems”)
the three camps are definitely jockeying for control of Cylon society, their infighting is definitely slowing down the progress of the original Cylon directive of “Kill All Humans”…
should be interesting watching the three camps duke it out…
Is seems to me that Sharon is going to present a long-term security problem. Even if she’s totally on board with the Colonials now, can you allow her to be privy to information that most officers would know like new strategies for defense, the current and planned moves of the fleet, which ships have been converted to warships, etc? After all, if she dies in combat or an accident she’ll ressurrect back with the Cylons.
But that was already an issue when Adama trusted her to help with the liberation of New Caprica. I think he’s already decided to take that risk.
What might be interesting is if at some point Sharon voluntarily allows herself to be killed just so she can infiltrate the Cylons. When she finds out Hera is alive and the Cylons have her, that might be one way for her to try and get her back.
More interesting, I think, and in certain ways more depressingly realistic, is the possibility that he will in fact present this exonerating information, and his kangaroo-court prosecutors disbelieve and ignore it in their headlong rush to convict and punish those they blame for screwing up their lives.
What black market? There’s never been an episode about the black market. Never happened. Nope. La la la la la la
Though if they ever should happen to do such an episode, we need to see that one of the things it’s possible to buy through the black market is a flying motorcycle.
Good point about Starbuck & Tigh. I’d be surprised if they go right back to their old jobs. Starbuck & Apollo may take on roles more similar to the original series in that they technically have rank & job duties but what they really are is free agents you use to get things done. I mean in TOS Starbuck & Apollo did everything.
I’m pissed about Roslyn waltzing right back onto Colonial One and the President’s chair. Also, Sharon is going to find out Roslyn took her child. Further, we may find out for sure whether Adama knew. If it turns out both Adama and Sharon were lied to Roslyn’s gonna have a lot of ‘splainin’ to do.
I suppose once Gaeta is cleared of any treason charges he could continue on as the President’s Chief of Staff. He’d be under-used in that capacity though, IMO. I always thought after Baltar, Gaeta was the really smart science guy. And they don’t have a Baltar now.
Sorry for double-posting guys, but ooh! I just had a thought. I know that’s rare for me but…
You don’t suppose Tigh is going to have Ellen living in his head now, do you? Would that be too many people living in other people’s heads? Baltar and real-live Six are together now so they probably won’t be seeing much of their delusions. Someone’s gotta have a delusion going.
It’s a pretty well established theme of the show. I wouldn’t be surprised if Starbuck didn’t end up with a Leoben in her head, either.
Probably not all gone, though. Most people didn’t know anything about the evac plan, remember. Even with all the best efforts of the colonials, my guess is a good number of civvies would have simply hit the ground and stayed there until the shooting stopped, details be damned. I mean, the city streets are blowing up - are you going outside in that?
This is especially true if you don’t think the uprising is going to work - for example, if you don’t know that Galactica has come back.
So yah, there might only be a few hundred people left - but it would still be nice if they didn’t get nuked.
Dude, levdrakon, get out of my head! After my last comment I was about to add the statement that offing Gaeta would be stupidity central (even beyond Loopydude’s point that he could easily corroborate his status as the informant and ignoring this possibility would be the sloppiest of writing…actually, even hinting that there might be conflict about this would be irritating) as he’s probably the biggest brain trust technically-scientifically after Baltar. For instance, setting up the firewall to reset Galactica after last year’s infiltration, his statement to Baltar that he was going to go on to advanced study in genetics etc. (I don’t remember his explanation as to why he couldn’t continue…money or something). Isn’t he usually assigned to help Baltar with all the science stuff?
Didn’t want to risk the wrath of the mods by too many double-posts :). I know preview is my friend and all but I’m still all up in excitement about the atmospheric FTL jump…I’m on a delayed viewing schedule since I have to wait for them to send the eps to I-tunes.
I don’t mind the marriages that much but the biggest thing that irritates me about them is that in Season 1 Tigh told Chief to knock off his relationship with Boomer because of military protocol yet now it’s okay for everyone to shack up together. The whole “be reproductively fruitful” message has been sent out since the mini-series so this inconsistency always bugged me even back then. Given the limited supply of partners, I would think they would have relaxed the rules way back then…but no, it’s only 3 seasons in they decide that hang protocol, you can marry your fellow officers. Unless they’re going to go the route of “well, it’s okay for officers to marry each other, but not the deck chief and an officer” which is just stupid.
Another thing that’s strange for me is that Helo and Sharon are now married and still in love-so, um, isn’t she going to be knocked up again soon? We saw that love gave her the opportunity to reproduce like a human last time around.