I love you! I love you with all my heart!
Cylons are so vain.
Which kind of tells you how much Caprica Six has grown to hate Baltar. Because she, of anyone, would have to know that Baltar always tells people what they want to hear. Torturing him is pretty much useless – unless you just want to see him squirm while he’s telling you what you want to hear.
I’ll ask again; is D’Anna going to think he’s some sort of Jesus Messiah?
She may well begin to see him as sent from God for a specific purpose. Head Six seemed to see that as a vulnerability with her and coached Baltar to exploit it.
I like Baltar being able to compartmentalize his mind and out-think the vaunted superior Cylon intelligence.
“Bull” Halsey.
Ok episode, but I’m still waiting for Ron to dazzle me this season.
I agree that the way the bioweapon story was handled could have been a lot better. It would have been a lot more satisfying for them to succeed, and for the plan not to have worked. Let an infection start, deal with it for another episode or two, and then have the plague burn itself out before becoming a true epidemic. Or increase the uncertainty about whether or not the disease actually propagates via resurrection, make that more of Simon’s paranoia than a known fact, and have it fail to transmit. Or have the Cylons manage to cope with it quickly: the newly reborn models arrive, immediately tell their brethren of the infection they bear and the risk they represent, and the Cylons on the resurrection ship quickly decide to quarantine themselves, i.e. to jump out of resurrection range before anyone on that ship can have contact with anyone else or themselves die and risk being resurrected elsewhere. End of threat.
In addition, two things make no sense: First, that the prisoners would not have been accompanied by a guard, or, in fact, that Apollo wouldn’t be standing there ready to put one in the brain pan the instant they knew that resurrection was available. Second, more significantly, that the plan was to wax all five at once, rather than hold a couple in reserve. Seems to me that killing five doesn’t get you a lot more, tactically speaking, than killing two; and in the event the disease begins to spread but the Cylons are able to scramble and contain it, the Colonials can make it be known they have a couple more virus-bombs to deploy, plus blood samples they can leverage by other means.
On the other hand, I had no problem with Helo’s point of view. His argument that they would be wiping out even the Cylons who may be sympathetic to humanity’s plight and who oppose the Cylons’ actions, even if they’re a minority, resonates with me. And I have no objection to Adama turning his back on the choice of genocide, and on the chance of an investigation into what made the choice untenable.
And the scene where our heroes learn of Baltar’s treason is great.
So definitely a mixed bag here. Some stuff to recommend it, and some stuff to roll one’s eyes through. This episode is, for me, about the same level of quality as “Epiphanies” last season, for sort of the same reasons. I consider that a B-minus episode of BSG: a few major problems, but enough to hang on to for the story to be worthwhile, and a couple of significant highlights. I know a lot of people hate that episode; those of you who do, would you say the same about this one?
I’ve been interpreting this as an indication that early Colonial history is a little sketchy and there are varying opinions as to just how long ago the exodus from Kobol was - sort of like modern historians trying to place dates on events like the biblical Exodus. IIRC, it was three different characters who listed off the three different dates.
I just thought of another plot hole: the Raptor jumps into a point in interstellar space looking for a nebula and binary pulsar as seen from a particular viewpoint. In other words, anywhere within the radius of a solar system would have been about the right spot- and they land on top the stricken baseship??
First, do we know that “boxing” works that way? For all we know, Boxing could involve taking freshly-reborn Boomer, putting her head in a special box, and doing a “move” rather than “copy” from Fresh Body to Hard Drive.
Second, I’m not as nitpicky as the rest of the people on here, so I liked the episode. The only thing that annoyed me was, why the hell would you kill all five prisoners???. Kill one. Next time the Cylons show up, they can either risk death via death or risk death via virus when I put a bullet in the second prisoner…
-Joe
They were operating off the exact same information. So they jumped to similar coordinates. Not the least believable thing I’ve ever seen on TV.
-Joe
We don’t know how Cylon downloading works, and it’s becoming increasingly obvious that neither do the writers know how Cylon downloading works.
So it’s all speculation.
Oh… So you’re calling it “Intelligent Design” then…
As far as we can tell, the Cylons didn’t do anything to fix the poorly engineered human knee (unless they installed modems there, too). So, “intelligent” probably doesn’t apply.
Oh, we have modems there. It’s just that they’re the crappy 300 baud museum pieces that don’t work anywhere. That’s why you never see people shoving fiber optic cable into their forearms at work.
What do you mean, never? Where do you work?
Thank you for pointing this out. I didn’t hate the episode. Didn’t mind the morality play. Even enjoyed the weird Baltar torture scene. But this part really struck me as contrived.
Here they are, engaged in an operation that depends on careful timing: jumping Galatica in to act as bait, killing the prisoners at just the right moment, and jumping back out before getting shot to bits. So how does it make the slightest bit of sense to have your execution team waiting around in another part of the ship, only to have them run down corridors to get to the prisoners on time when the resurrection ship jumps in? Grrrr. That just makes me crabby.
In Downloaded 6 or 3 refered to 8’s memories being placed in “cold storage”. Boxing would no awarness of one’s existence. No thought, no pereption. A boxed would from their own perspective go directly from being killed to waking up 10000K yrs later if at all.