Battlestar Galactica 4.11 - "The Hub" (spoilers ahead)

Sure, but he’s a unique one, just like Boomer is. At least that’s how I’ve been taking it. We’ve pretty much gotten to the point where there’s one Cylon of each model that we see most of the time. Except Boomer/Athena. Now even Six is down to a single unique one, I think.

-Joe

I liked seeing him go out like that. It was perfect IMO. It WAS all the more meaningful. It also quite succinctly showed where D’Anna decided to go, rather than being his puppet to bring the flock back together, she killed him.

Oh, I wouldn’t be too upset, I just really like Stockwell.

-Joe

There were at least two more in the pilots’ briefing before the attack.

The One that D’Anna killed couldn’t have been Cavil, anyway - her revival was on the hub itself, but he was with the original task force.

Seriously??? I thought this was the last season, so that everything would wind up THIS year.

Jeezopete.

When was the last time we saw Baltar’s Virtual Six? :confused:

I still don’t get the Hub thing. Thus far, as long as you were in range of a Resurrection ship, you were good to go. That ship can resurrect you just fine. But now apparently that R-ship has to be in range of the only Hub in the galaxy and I find it hard to believe all the R-ships spread out between the fleet’s current position all the way back to the colonies and wherever the Cylon home world is, are within constant range of the Hub, even if it is always jumping.

Think of it as a mothership, or the backup of the backups. This one data point enforces continuity in the downloaded memories and releases them back to the resurrection ships. The ress-ships gather the “nodes” of the destroyed Cylons, then jump back into range of the Ress-Hub to return the memory-feed and get a new one, then slots that one into a new body.

It’s basically like a nerve clustre. Clamp it or break it and everything goes haywire.

Or so I gather; my theory basically builds on the fact that resurrections have consequently been non-instantaneous, so there appears to be a need for a reason and the hub’s co-ordinating function fills that niche.

So was Boomer. I think it was pretty clear that they (Boomer, Cavill) went there to specifically wake up D’Anna. Oh, and I wasn’t saying that Caprica is the only Six left, just the only one that we know of that has an established personality or character.

-Joe

The Five would have a rez hub, and rez ships for sure…

I do however wonder if “The Five” would be “Just the five” or effectively “All Twelve models”… Some of these dead cylons could also be rezzing at the fives rez ships which could be shadowing Galactica for the sleeper agents…

Does anyone know where the Cylons were between the Cylon wars? Did they create all this “skinjob” technology aboard spaceships? Where did their original spaceships come from?

The Centurians were the originals and they in turn created the human looking versions and then these skinjobs became their masters? There’s just a whole lot of unknowns concerning their history.

And wasn’t there at one point a Six with a virtual Baltar?

I still think the skinjobs are actually the Lords of Kobol, and they were hanging around in the shadows waiting for things to happen. The toasters didn’t invent the meatbags.

They seem different in every other way, why would they be the same that way? If nothing else, these guys age. That’s enough to make them different from the others right there.

-Joe

I was thinking about this last night; I think it was that time when she forced him to stand up against the security guards on Caprica and he got the snot beaten out of him.

I think that at the point that he came to realize that the Cylon God loves him and made him perfect, Baltar was able to forgive himself for the holocaust and release all that guilt and pain he had been carrying for three years. He’s at peace with himself now. If the Six in his head was, well, all in his head, his psyche may be well enough healed now that she doesn’t appear anymore. She may just have been a product of his own guilt.

Now that I’ve said that, watch her appear next week…

Caprica Six - she’s in the Galactica brig getting frakked by Col. Tigh.

And the most basic of paper products.

Then what was the point of all those vivesections we saw them do in Razor? It was pretty clear that the old Centurians were grafting human flesh onto mechanical limbs. And there was the male Hybrid they created (who actually spoke normally).

But she’s revealed information that Baltar didn’t have know.

From all the Cylons have said, their knowledge of the Lords of Kobol comes from the same place that the Colonials’ knowledge of them does – from their sacred writings. It just appears that the Cylons paid more attention while reading. Certainly D’Anna and Caprica were in the dark about the Lords of Kobol while pursuing their religious-inspired goals in their threesome-with-Baltar period.

I still think people are reading way too much into the fact that there are twelve Cylon models, and were twelve Lords of Kobol.

And how do we know that the first six models don’t age? The “oldest” one we’ve seen was the Six who got blown up with Armistice Station, which was just before the Cylon attack. We haven’t seen them long enough to know if they age. (presumably, Cavil might download “old” and age to “really, really old”)

Why would the writers coincidentally make 12 models of Cylon, 12 Lords of Kobol, and 12 colonies? When you’re dealing with fictional world, there aren’t coincidences like this unless the writers really aren’t paying attention, which I don’t think is the case here. However, whatever correlation exists hasn’t been revealed yet and may not ever be, for all we know. I’d like to think it will be explained at some point, but I’ve been disappointed before with other TV shows, so who knows.

The question is, why WOULD they age if they don’t have to? Up until now, when they started feeling the effects of old age, they could have had their aging bodies euthanized and download into a shiny new body. They might have treated their bodies the way we treat our shoes, which means a big adjustment now that they’re stuck with the bodies they currently have. Maybe ditching the old bod was protocol to do so after a certain amount of time, because all the members of each model look the same age. Again, this is speculation on my part but it seems consistent with what we’ve seen.

I have no doubt that twelve is an important number (for whatever reason) to both the Colonies and to the Cylons.

I dispute that the inevitable conclusion of there being 12 skinjob models must mean that the skinjob models are the 12 Lords of Kobol.

As for aging, we have seen that it is no easy thing for a skinjob to die and be resurrected. It messes some of them up quite a bit, and they avoid it if they can. Furthermore, they have apparently just discovered this fact, possibly because of all the Cylons who had to download into new bodies in the aftermath of the Cylon attack. It seems, therefore, that downloading was not common in the 40 (?) or so years since the last Cylon War, else they would have realized this sooner.

So it seems unlikely that they made a habit of resurrecting on schedule to avoid developing wrinkles. I think it more likely that all the models we see look the same age as other versions of their model, because they all are the same age as each other. They probably mass-produced skinjobs for infiltration prior to the Cylon attack, and all of the ones we’ve seen are from that batch.

I’m sure their “indistinguishable from human” bodies age. They just haven’t had to deal with that yet, just like they hadn’t dealt with reproduction, or with individuality. They might have eventually come to resurrection as the cure for old age.

Of course, there’s always that wild theory that Ellen Tigh was actually an old Six model…