Still digesting it all. Interesting episode, as always. 
I’m still holding out hope that Bill Adama is the 13th Cylon, in accordance with Leoben’s whisper to Rosalyn way back when before he got shoved out of the airlock. That would be a sweet way to wrap the series, IMO.
I think I’m going to need diagrams - 13 colonies, 12 cylon models (and now maybe 13), cylons are from Earth, cylons left Earth and became the 12 human colonies, the 12 human colonies invented cylons again, cylons may or may not be resurrecting, Kara is resurrecting out of thin air (with her Viper), cylons can’t have babies yet they are having them with humans and other cylons - my brain is starting to hurt.
Hmmm someone should check the moon. Perhaps R. Daneel Olivaw is up to no good.
Can you blame him? He just helped her find “her” own long-dead corpse, and she told him that the Hybrid thinks she’s the “Harbinger of Death”. Frak, I’d run away, too.
That zeroth law is apparently trickier to implement than he thought.
I forgot. Did the Moon show up in this episode or last season’s finale?
That idea fellates with great alacrity as do certain posters.
Quick thought. Did anyone pay close attention during Tyrol’s and hen Tigh’s flashbacks? There were extras around, right? And they were all unique, so far unseen individuals (excepting Ellen, of course), right? That would imply to me that the five come from a much more individual-centric society than the skinjobs. Or was I not observant?
If by “sweet” you mean “Shark-Jumping Moment”, then I’d have to agree
other ways the final eps could JTS…
Starbuck turns out to be a Toaster, a Human/Cylon Hybrid, or one of the Final Five Plus One (Penultimate one?)
We all turn out to be Cylons
It’s all a fever dream of Boxey
the only cast regular I’d like to see return as a Cylon** would be Dee, killing her off for no reason was just mean, there was no purpose behind it, TPTB wanted to hurt the fans
I’d imagine Lee would have a similar crisis of the heart that Admiral Adama had if he found out that one of the people closest to him was a Cylon, and it would both be a nice touch, and fit wit the “happened before = happen again” undercurrent in the show
(**it’s hard for me to believe that the Cylons, who should be methodical and logical, didn’t have a spare, backup Resurrection Hub, in case something bad (natural, or Colonial-induced disaster) happened to the primary hub, what if the Res Hub got hit by a comet or asteroid or something, and what’s stopping them from simply building another hub, it’s not like they erased the knowledge from their brains/CPUS/Neural Nets/Whatever
The Cylons did not leave earth and become the Twelve Colonies.
Both the twelve tribes that founded the Twelve Colonies and the thirteenth tribe – that turns out to have been Cylons – left Kobol at the end of the war between the gods.
Humans are from Kobol, Cylons are from Kobol. Cylons came to Earth from Kobol – you know, “There are those who believe that life here began out there…”?
Narratively, it was obvious to me what was going on with Dee – she was the viewer’s proxy to understand what was going on with all the Colonials after the revelation about Earth. It had to be a character they’d established and who was familiar to the viewers to make that viewer identification as gut-punching as it was. And characters like that are getting few and far between. Helo has his role as father of the halfbreed to continue in, and Gaeta had already been crushed down so far there wasn’t too much farther that they could take him. That left, who, Doc Cottle and Dee? So, Dee it was.
(no one would ever believe Cottle would off himself for something like finding out the promised land was a radioactive waste. maybe if he ran out of cigs, sure, but for this? nah.)
As soon as she got all weird with Hera, I knew she was a gonner.
Although, in the end, I was sadder for Apollo than for Dee… I think she really was happy then, and just couldn’t bear another heartbreak. Lee was really broken – let’s face it, if you’re fracked up in the head enough that Kara is noticing and asking what’s wrong, that is really fracked up.
See my post about melted down DVDs and Ron Moore’s nostrils.
Of course, since Madam President admited she was wrong, “You should have stayed and fought them!” there is the very remote possibility that it will be a dream and Adama will wake up and kick Cylon ass.
I wish.
one potential upside to the Nuked Earth situation is that the “sacred scrolls” and the “prophecies of Pythia” have now been thoroughly debunked as nothing more than lies and mind control, like all religions really, it’d be nice if the show could drop the religious crap for the remaining episodes, focus on Roslin losing her faith, have Baltar get back to his crusty, cynical, atheist roots
…and as long as I’m wishing, I’d also like a Viper, and a couple Billion Colonial Credits, and my own BBB Basestar…
Well, the next set will be: The Admiral and Caprica 6. We haven’t learned her name yet.
Adama and Eve, anyone?
I had already had the impression that Ellen Tigh could have been a long-lived Six, what with Saul’s hallucinations and his ahem compatibility with that one Six. I assume that skin-jobs age, or else Adama would have noticed Saul never aging.
Though that gives us more questions than answers.
Or perhaps Mike and the great-great-grandchild of Mannie are about to throw a boulder at them.
Hell of an episode.
This doesn’t explain everything, but what if the corpse of Starbuck was actually someone else, a Six for instance, made to look like Starbuck? Then the question becomes, who set up the deception and for what purpose?
Whoever would have set up a deception would have had to already have been on earth when Starbuck found it the first time, and left the colonial signal thing going for them to get back. Unless Starbuck set up her own deception, but that’d be a little nutty.
on edit: why was the body burned, but not the hair?
So then who killed the cylons on earth?
I find it far more believable that ‘cylons’ created their own version of cylons, had a war, got nuked, and died. These were, of course, the ancestors of the present day humans. So these human/cylons destroyed all of the cylons on earth, got all weepy and religiousy about it like the present cylons we all know and love, went to kobol, glossed over the holocaust out of guilt by saying the 13th tribe was ‘lost’, and thusly, the religions of the 13 colonies is born.
Not sure what happened to Kobol. My current guess is a BSG equivalent nuked it.
Kara is explained by the fact that humans are cylon, hence she was resurrected by a human resurrection ship. How her ship remains got to earth though… no clue. Plus, someone wanted her to find the remains, since they got carted along several lightyears and were dumped quite unceremoniously on earth.
The final 5, how they are still alive… I got nothing. They are original model cylons, though, and hence aren’t directly related to the newest generation of cylon. They seemed to be quite ordinary people though, so how they ended up being resurrected I have no idea, since they would have been the ‘humans’ of that cycle, and it seems wouldn’t have access to resurrection ships, unless, somehow, they were halfbreeds or mutants and got picked up by that cycles cylon resurrection ships(now humans).
There has got to be a better way to write that.
Also…
All Along the Watchtower. The activation song is from the final 5s past, earth, likely meaning us. So, its no longer illogical that they knew it. 
Dee: She had picked up the jacks on Earth, along with a locket that looked like her own (which I thought had pix of her dead family back on, um, Geminon?). The children’s toy, and the pic of herself as a child, made her think that living was useless, that no matter how happy one might feel in the moment, one is always going to get nuked, children not excepted.
Starbuck: I’m sticking with the Beings of Light theory, but it’s going to be a seriously disappointing deus (dei?) ex machina.
The Five: All somehow escaped the nuke attack on old Earth, got memories downloaded, reanimated as children or infants 2000 years later, rediscovered selves piece by piece … gotta go with the Beings of Light there too. They saved whatever they could of old-Earth civilization for later restoration. Well, that’s current Earth for us, and helps explain “All Along the Watchtower” a little.
Reconstructing future history: They found skinbag bones which tested Cylon (somehow), AND a Centurion helmet of a previously unknown type. The Centurions might have been created by the skinbag/human/us Cylons on Earth, rebelled (as in “all of this has happened before …”), which would be in our very near future, and killed off the 13th-tribe skinbags.
So what if we humans originated as humans here on Earth, like archaeology tells us? Maybe the 13th-colony Cylon skinbags who came here in the Diaspora had somehow driven all the native humans off, to yet another planet? There were no human remains at all left on Earth when the Fleet got there, although the search was superficial.
There’s one thing we do know - the survivors are looking seriously frakked now.