BTW, I hope I’m not the only one who watched the Adama/Tigh gun scene and said “Nobody move or the n****r gets it!”
Don’t know about that. I watched the Adama/Tigh gun scene, and thought “Bill Adama - biggest goddamn drama queen in the fleet.” Seriously dude - you want to check on your son, who was married to her, before you hit the goddamn bottle? But that’s Bill Adama right there - everything’s always about him and what he feels. (No problems with the execution of the scene itself or the writing, I’ve just been annoyed by Adama since season 3. [I *love* Tigh though.])
Roslin burning the book - that hurt. I’d be just as happy if we don’t have anymore destiny/prophecy stuff to go through, but watching her burn that book and go fetal…that hurt a lot. And also, watching any physical item or possession being deliberately destroyed always has some extra resonance, because it’s not being replaced anytime soon.
Nor are the people. I will miss Dee.
I referred to the above Adama/Tigh scene as “Olmos and Hogan in an Over-Acting contest”, it felt a little out of place in this episode, we’ve rarely seen Adama totally lose it, and Olmos’s performance in the scene felt a little more forced than ususal
I did love Tigh talking him down though, hopefully after this little hissy-fit, Adama will realize that his best friend is still there, nothing has changed, crusty, hard-drinkin’ ol Tigh is still crusty, hard-drinkin’ ol Tigh, the man he knows hasn’t changed, he just now knows what his true heritage/ethnic (technologic?) background is
after all, he has a Cylon in the fleet (Athena) that he trusts, clearly not all Cylons are “evil”, just because someone has an obsession with grilled bread products doesn’t make them a bad person per se…
I will also miss Dee, I guess Kandace wasn’t happy with her character’s airtime in the show, and they needed a way to write her out of the show, and Galactica being Galactica, they couldn’t just have her quit her job…
I actually think Adama’s little hissy-fit over Dee was way out of his character. He’d’ve been more likely to have done it over Laura giving up on everything, but they were taking a heavy hand in writing the effect of finding Earth like that, so it got tacked onto Dee’s plotline.
The “This has all happened before” bits seem to have happened three before, now: once on Kobol (remembered as the war between the gods; probably a war between the 12 human tribes and the 1 Cylon tribe), once on Earth (maybe between skinjob Cylons and toaster Cylons?), and now once on the Twelve Colonies (between the human Colonists and their Cylons). I suspect that the mystery genesis of Cylons happening three different times is a hook being saved for the Caprica series.
And, all of you hoping that Roslyn is going to find solace in blissful atheism: not going to happen, not on this show. They’ve had strong religious themes from the very beginning, and we’ve already seen her death scene – that wasn’t a woman who’d lost her faith dying. What she is going through now is nothing more than a dark night of the soul, which is a classic trope of religious characters.
I disagree. Remember - in the past week (from his perspective), Adama has:
1.) Learned that his oldest and most trusted friend is a Cylon;
2.) Learned that Earth, the fraud he’d come to genuinely believe in and hope for, is in fact a radioactive cinder; and
3.) Seen a valued crew-member and former daughter-in-law blow her own brains out.
Adama is having a bad week.
Fascinating episode.
So, I was wrong that Doc Cottle was the fifth, which just makes him more interesting to me. I was right that Cylons were around on Kobol. It’s an interesting moebius loop - humans make Cylons (toaster model), Cylons make Cylons (meatbag model), Cylons make humans.
One point I’d like to touch on is that in Saul’s memory, Ellen said “we will be reborn”. Not resurrected. Reborn. There’s a difference, and it explains how Saul could be Adama’s friend for 30 or 40 years, well before the current toaster models had rebelled or even thought of creating skinjobs. Saul was reborn into the human race, bringing with him Cylon attributes, including the memories of the Apocalypse on Earth.
Which makes me wonder, is this the first time since the end of the world that he’s been reborn or the thirteenth?
It does also point to some controlling intelligence, because Cylon souls aren’t going to transmigrate over to human fetuses on their own. Also, you’ve got the relative ages kept constant, Saul and Ellen meeting up in a system with 12 settled colonies and billions of others, the match on names, and whoever orchestrated Starbuck’s return - which was a resurrection, not a rebirth.
Hmmmm.
The actors have said in interviews that they found the ending of the series very satisifying. I sure hope so, 'cause I don’t want to think about the time I’ll spend bitching if this doesn’t work out.
I still need a diagram. Still, you gotta love a show that doesn’t just hand its audience everything in a nice, tidy, explicated package.
I want to know what that KFC ad exec was thinking when they greenlighted the “frak pack” ad. I just about fell out of my chair laughing at the idea that KFC voluntarily wanted their name associated with a euphemism for f*ck.
*** Ponder
- Had the woman he loves, his partner, and his rock go fetal and turn him away.
Meh. It was time for another of Olmos’ patented anguish scenes, anyway.
Here is an article/interview where Ronald Moore and others discuss their decisions for last night’s episode.
Ronald Moore on “Sometimes a Notion”
Very interesting read, including an alternative flashback sequence for Tyrol, which was cut for money reasons.
I’m gonna have to jump on the overly dramatic Adama bandwagon. When he and lee are standing over Dee’s corpse, Lee asks “Why?” and Adama responds with “I don’t have a frakkin clue” (or something similar), the offers a bottle…that seems wildly out of character. I was expecting some solemn advice, support…pretty much anything other than…“That sucks. Wanna get drunk?”
AND decide that she’s done with her cancer treatment – effectively committing slow suicide, herself.
At which point, Mr. Argues With The Universe, essentially shrugs and leaves the woman he just abandoned everything for to wait forlornly in space in case she returned… to die, basically.
Meanwhile, the ex-daughter-in-law we’ve seen him have no interactions with for over a season, offs herself and he’s all OHNOES WHYYYYYYYYYY!!!
Better if he’d lost it with Laura, and they’d left him out of the wreckage of Dee’s aftermath.
Yeah, that made me laugh too.
She kicked him out of the room. She told him to leave. At that point, she was beyond arguing, so he probably figured he’d get drunk and argue with her tomorrow, when she might be a little more conversational.
Isn’t she on Galactica’s bridge with him every day?
While I think Adama losing his shit was acted with great chewing of the scenery by Olmos, I could understand his breakdown. He blames himself for everything, and like Roslin and Dee, he wants to destroy himself because of it. But he can’t, because everyone is relying on The Old Man, so what else can he do but get drunk and act crazy? It’s a time honored response to cataclysmic grief, disappointment, and loss. Give the guy a break.
Maybe they could all just unwind with a nice Frak Pak. Frak Paks all around!
So is that the real earth, and we’re chucking evolution out the window? Or as they said "the 13th tribe found a new home, and called it “earth.”
Yeah, I know it looks like earth from space, continent-wise, but we’re dealing with beings with pretty advanced tech. Besides FTL, according to the Caprica preview on the Scifi website they’ve also got:
Holodecks!
So maybe the 13th tribe did a little terraforming to make it look like the original earth.
when she got rebooted all the original software didnt reload right 
Cylon ME.
Not only that, the chief was GAY! What straight man goes “cruising” the market on a fine sunny morning looking for the perfect apple?
Descended from lush horny clyons? Pretty much explains all human behaviour as far as I am concerned…
Maybe it was the 13th tribe that nuked Earth.
Consider: it was destroyed around the same time as the exile from Kobol - some 2000 years ago. Maybe, while 12 tribes went on to found the 12 Colonies, the 13th tribe went searching for the birthplace of mankind, found it full of Cylons… and nuked it from orbit.
Now, what happened to them after that, or why Earth was full of Cylons in the first place, I have no frakking idea.