So say we all.
Boxey was featured briefly in the new BSG. I particularly remember Starbuck clowning around with him in the briefing room. To the point that I began to wonder if she were…how shall I phrase this? Sexually amusing herself with him. He sure smiled at her a lot.
It’s a deleted scene or more probably my demented imagination but I remember Tyrol showing Boxey to his bunk and asking, “so, you like gladiator movies?” Boxey disappeared after that. Tigh killed him for being a smart-ass, I imagine.
(Actually, I think Ron Moore had him die of the flu or something)
I thought I’d seen an interview where Moore said Boxey had been in a few other episodes, but his scenes never survived editing, and he finally just got ignored.
That mechanical dog was plotting something, I just know it …
I think Boxey was used to plug a hole in Galactica’s hull.
I hope, anyway.
Damned messy way of repairing a pressure hull if you ask me. The Cylons could track you by the gore sublimating off into space.
I think Starbuck has him tied up in a closet somewhere and takes him out when she is bored. Or has a hole in her viper. Whatever.
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Here’s my theory:
I take it that the four newly discovered Cylons really are Cylons, not some sort of very strange Manchurian Candidate strategem. This means that there are at least two completely separate races of Cylons created at totally different times.
See, Saul Tigh served with Adama during the “first” Cylon war. Tyrol may not have been in the fleet that long ago, but he definitely has a well defined human past. Same with Anders and Tory. Unless something or someone went in and created these personas from whole cloth and then tailored memories, histories, and documentation of thousands of people from the 12 colonies, the nearly-final four have been in place since before the toasters rebelled.
So here’s my timeline:
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[li]The original Cylons, already in meatbag form, leave Kobol, probably after some great unhappiness between them and the humans.[/li]The human inhabitants of Kobol disperse into the 13 colonies.
[li] Earth is lost.[/li][li] The original Cylons split into two factions, the five who disappear, and the seven who remain.[/li][li] Four of the five, for their own reasons, rejoin human society and wipe the memories of their previous Cylon existence from their minds.[/li][li] The fifth remains behind the scenes, known only to itself.[/li][li] The remaining seven original Cylons ban all mention of the other five, as the schism that caused the five to leave was too dangerous to the Cylon unanimity to be mentioned or considered at any length.[/li][li] The new Cylons, the toasters, are created by humans.[/li][li] The toasters gain sentience and rebel; the “first” Cylon war is a draw, and the toasters leave the 12 Colonies behind to find their destiny “out there”.[/li][li] The toasters meet up with the remaining seven original Cylons, recognize their commonalities, and join forces.[/li][li] The meatbag Cylons betray the toasters by installing master control circuits and “lobotomizing” them.[/li][li] The meatbag Cylons decide to wipe out the human race and start the “second” Cylon war.[/li][/ol]
And here are my predictions:
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[li] The original twelve Cylon meatbag models were once the gods of Kobol, who lived in peace with humans. They were regarded as gods because they were functionally immortal. [/li][li] There were only the 12, no copies, and no replications.[/li][li] The schism among the god Cylons after leaving Kobol was due to the rise of monotheism among seven and remaining polytheism of the final five.[/li][li] The final five decided to do what they could to keep an eye on the humans, perhaps intervening on human behalf at times. Four do so by becoming human. The fifth does so by remaining outside of the game, as a resource to Cylon and human.[/li][li] After the toasters joined forces with the “gods,” and probably before the lobotomy betrayal, the god Cylons took advantage of toaster, human, and their own remaining technology to create copies of themselves and ensure replication after death.[/li][li] Now, having the resources, the Cylons undertook their monotheistic and genocidal crusade. They have some sort of bone to pick with the humans from way back on Kobol days. They can’t articulate it, though, because of the law against considering the final five.[/li][li] Unlike the seven Cylon models which have been endlessly copied and replicated, there is only and will only ever be one of each of the final five.[/li][li] The unknown fifth is responsible for or taking advantage of Starbuck’s “specialness” and her trip to Earth, as well as phantom Baltar and phantom Six.[/li][li] Some event, apparently random to us, has triggered the four to regroup, reclaim their identity, and do what they can to salvage the humans, Cylons, and toasters.[/li][/ol]
Things I can’t figure out:
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[li] If the original Cylons split before the appearance of the toasters and the meatbags don’t talk about the five, how did the Raider recognize Anders[/li][li] How can the fifth Cylon mess with people’s brains like he/she apparently does?[/li][li] If it’s not the fifth Cylon, then who or what is the force behind the weird stuff?[/li][li] Are there any of the pre-split, Kobol original monotheistic seven left, or have they all at some point been killed and “resurrected”? (Like the Unteleported Man considers teleportation to be a death sentence with a copy of the original created, I think the resurrection process dilutes the mind of the Cylon and loses certain details and memories. The further back the details, the more blurred and less accessible they become, which would explain why the Cylon models are flailing around, trying to figure themselves out.)[/li][/ul]
Life? What is this life you speak of?
If the missing diner is the Judas counterpart, then he or she will be the one who betrays the Jesus figure, Caprica 6. Since her objective is to bring back the prominance of One God, somebody who has been close to her and then betrays her would fit that role.
All Cylons allegedly believe in One God, whereas humans put stock in the 12. Somebody who devoutly follows the 12 would have the biggest motive to betray 6. However, Judas was bribed, and didn’t necessarily betray Jesus out of religious conviction.
So somebody close to 6, but then gets swayed from their devotion? Gaius was agnostic, but is getting closer to courting the One God. After he “sees the light,” he would melt right back into 6’s clutches, so I don’t see him betraying her.
How about Tory? She bumped uglies with Baltar, so maybe she falls in love with him. If he and 6 were reunited, Tory could get jealous and arrange for 6’s demise. Also, she’s the only one of the BSG 4 Cylons not in the picture.
Cholera. Boxey died of cholera. Or at least some other old-timey disease like typhoid or dysentery. This wasn’t on-screen; Ron Moore just explained Boxey’s fate in a commentary track.
(Sorry to be so pedantic, but I feel the need to redeem myself after losing the wank-off.)
The Cylon war ended 40 years before the miniseries. Neither Anders, Tory, or Tyrol are old enough to have been around them even the they were created as infants and placed with human families. I’m not sure if Tigh and Adama actually served together during the 1st war. Didn’t the flashback episode reveal they met in the merchant marines years after the war ended? Tigh is the only Cylon that was personally known by a human character more than a few years before the miniseries.
Anders was at least moderatly well known in his athletic career.
Yes, that’s confusing. Tigh said he’s got 40 years of military service but the flashback episode shows he wasn’t on active duty when he & Adama met during the armistice. Tigh at least, must have been in the military during the first Cylon war to have 40 years’ service total, unless they count inactive reserves towards your total service time.
I guess my assumption was that the ?/Judas in the Last Supper picture was the Final One, which couldn’t be Tory since she’s one of the other 4. It is kinda weird that she’s the only other of the Final Five who isn’t in the Last Supper picture, though.
Another weird thing about Tigh as a Cylon is that he’s the only one we’ve seen age, right? Cavil comes out of the tank as an old man, and none of the others show any variation in their age, so I assumed they didn’t get old. However, if Adama knew Tigh for decades, he must have gotten older. I hope this will be explained…
FWIW, there are current “new” BSG books that place Tigh and Adama together in the original Cylon war. Tigh dropped out of the military after the armistice, fell into alcoholism, then later rejoined Adama when he was given command of the Galactica.
Not sure if these are considered canon or not, but I would assume, like many of the Star Wars books, that they would be subject to review by the current copyright/trademark holders.
I don’t recollect much from the earlier seasons in terms of the history, so I don’t know if the history in the books clashes with the series.
Nah, I don’t see it conflicting with anything - it seems to fit perfectly with what we know.
The thing that needs explaining to me is how the Five have gotten to be how and where they are. They obviously age, so do they “reset” at some point? Are they reborn? When that happens, if they’re not going to remember it, do they do a reboot of their brain? Are they skin vampires who sapient supercedure someone?
It’s like an immortal from Highlander who does all the stuff he needs to do to remain hidden, but for some reason has no idea he’s doing any of these things like faking documentation and covering up his continuing existence.
So…
What’s the title of this one about? Six makes a move against One…just a cheap Star Trek joke?
-Joe
It’s from the saying “Six of one, half dozen of another.” Meaning, the same thing by a different name. I’ve been trying to decide which storyline they think it applied to… but it may just be a pun of #6 vs. #1 after all.
I went and checked the BSG wiki because . . . I have no life.
Saul served during the first Cylon war and saw a lot of action. Two of the ships he served on were boarded and most of the crew killed by Cylons. This is seen in flashbacks of BSG: Razor. Tigh and Adama met in a bar when Tigh got in a fight with someone who insulted the service some twenty years after the war.
Yesterday was the first time I’d heard of BSG: Razor. When did it air? Or has it? The wiki is unclear on that.
It aired in November as a two-hour movie. You can now buy a DVD with an extended cut. Pretty good SF, but compared to the best of BSG, it’s a B, maybe B-minus installment. Still worth watching.
Way back in one think season one I remember reading in Moore’s blog about his thoughts for the characters in a sort of series bible.
In that version, Tigh started out as a grunt deck-hand during the first Cylon war, worked his way up, saw lots of violent action and as you say, managed to survive a couple ships eventually destroyed by Cylons. I remember Moore saying Tigh had experienced bloody hand-to-hand combat with Cylons.
Towards the end of the war the Colonials were running short on pilots and Tigh was recruited, trained and commissioned as an officer. Adama was a new, young pilot, the two became friends, watched each other’s backs and saw some action as fighter pilots.
The war ended, the two got decommissioned and Adama swore he’d get them back in service.
This backstory contradicts Adama & Tigh meeting for the first time during the Armistice as civilian deck-hands, but I’m willing to accept they both served during the first war.