Belief in [a] god as a signifier of sincerity or moral fortitude

[asahi]

@Little_Nemo

Kavanaugh probably just figured “I’m already going to Hell for the rape thing. What difference does it make at this point if I lie to God?”

But if he gets on the Supreme Court, who knows - maybe he can salvage his soul by ruling that rape victims have to carry their fetuses to term.:rolleyes:

[SteveG1]

@Hampshire

Or like the lot of them who think “my god forgives all sins, i’ll just ask for forgiveness later, it’s all good.”

But He only forgives THEIR sins. No one else’s. So it’s OK. It also gives them free license to abuse and actively hate everyone else.

[SteveG1]

@DavidwithanR

If there was a god, believing would make no difference. If there was no god, believing would also make no difference.

Any fuckstain can mouth the magic words “I believe and so I am saved”. Actions count. Words are meaningless shit without action.

[SteveG1]

@Derleth

By all means, call it Demotism and throw in explicitly with Moldbug and the rest of the Dark Enlightenment Neoreaction. Advocate for the “natural aristocracy”, the Established Church, and all the rest of that pseudo-Medieval nonsense, and drop the pretense you’re here in the same century with the rest of us. It’ll make it easier for us to write you off as a complete crackpot and ignore you.

If there’s one thing I cannot stand, it’s mendacity.

In this case, my problem is with the cowardice and hypocrisy. But, taking in the bigger picture, you’re right. These morons that say this shit never stop to think that THEY will be serfs too. They all think they will be the noble in the castle.

Nope.

[WillFarnaby]

@Derleth

By all means, call it Demotism and throw in explicitly with Moldbug and the rest of the Dark Enlightenment Neoreaction. Advocate for the “natural aristocracy”, the Established Church, and all the rest of that pseudo-Medieval nonsense, and drop the pretense you’re here in the same century with the rest of us. It’ll make it easier for us to write you off as a complete crackpot and ignore you.

If there’s one thing I cannot stand, it’s mendacity.

I’ve heard of the Moldbug, but I am not influenced by him. Never heard the term “Demotism” or any of the classifications you sputtered onto the page.

I am influenced by Hans Herman Hoppe, author of Democracy the God that Failed, but I don’t endorse everything he has said.

This line of thinking is not unique to Hoppe.

[Try2B_Comprehensive]

Will, I am not really following you. Are you saying something along the lines of: foolish Americans made a god out of democracy and now it isn’t working out. When will the scales fall from their eyes? I am just not familiar with your reference.

Is it something like that? What if the problem is Citizens United and generally the outsized influence of the American aristocracy? In this second case, democracy didn’t just up and fail, but has been actively attacked and undermined by anti-democratic forces.

How do you decide where the flaw is? Because if it is the 2nd case, it at least has the power to explain Kennedy’s retirement. “I thought I was a patriot, but then I dropped the historic turd that is Citizens United on the world and betrayed my nation. Time to hide my face in shame.” The Bible beaters just latch onto the wreckage, kind of like they did in the Dark Ages.

[kaylasdad99]

@Try2B_Comprehensive

Will, I am not really following you. Are you saying something along the lines of: foolish Americans made a god out of democracy and now it isn’t working out. When will the scales fall from their eyes? I am just not familiar with your reference.

Is it something like that? What if the problem is Citizens United and generally the outsized influence of the American aristocracy? In this second case, democracy didn’t just up and fail, but has been actively attacked and undermined by anti-democratic forces.

How do you decide where the flaw is? Because if it is the 2nd case, it at least has the power to explain Kennedy’s retirement. “I thought I was a patriot, but then I dropped the historic turd that is Citizens United on the world and betrayed my nation. Time to hide my face in shame.” The Bible beaters just latch onto the wreckage, kind of like they did in the Dark Ages.

Neither am I.

[k9bfriender]

@WillFarnaby

I’ve heard of the Moldbug, but I am not influenced by him. Never heard the term “Demotism” or any of the classifications you sputtered onto the page.

I am influenced by Hans Herman Hoppe, author of Democracy the God that Failed, but I don’t endorse everything he has said.

This line of thinking is not unique to Hoppe.

So, you are against democracy. How do you feel is the best form of governance? How would you feel if that is not the form of governance you were given, and you were also denied a choice in the matter entirely?
In any case, to the OP, yes, absolutely. have said a few times on these boards that expressing religion is a form of virtue signalling. If we all agree that christians are good people, then calling oneself a christian means that they are a good person.

As it is certainly not the case that anyone who calls themself a christian is a good person, calling yourself a christian, or invoking god or any of the other trappings of using your religion to justify your actions is a completely hollow gesture.

[Sherrerd]

@k9bfriender

…In any case, to the OP, yes, absolutely. have said a few times on these boards that expressing religion is a form of virtue signalling. If we all agree that christians are good people, then calling oneself a christian means that they are a good person.

As it is certainly not the case that anyone who calls themself a christian is a good person, calling yourself a christian, or invoking god or any of the other trappings of using your religion to justify your actions is a completely hollow gesture.

On occasions such as Kennedy’s 9/27 interaction with Kavanaugh, I’m always reminded of Matthew 6, verses 5 and 6:

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

There are Christians who actually are good people*, but they’re not the ones who make a public show or claim that their religion ‘proves’ they can’t have done anything questionable.
*Speaking as an atheist who grew up reading the Bible and knowing a lot of Christians, both the genuine type and the ‘for show’ type.

[k9bfriender]

@Sherrerd

On occasions such as Kennedy’s 9/27 interaction with Kavanaugh, I’m always reminded of Matthew 6, verses 5 and 6:

Yeah, that’s one of the parts of the bible they don’t take a serving of in their cafeteria selections.

There are Christians who actually are good people*, but they’re not the ones who make a public show or claim that their religion ‘proves’ they can’t have done anything questionable.

There certainly are good people who happen to be Christian. There are also good people who are not Christian.

[Sherrerd]

@k9bfriender

Yeah, that’s one of the parts of the bible they don’t take a serving of in their cafeteria selections.

There certainly are good people who happen to be Christian. There are also good people who are not Christian.

Absolutely, and I’d say that any Christian who claims that the only way to be a good person is to be a Christian, is NOT themselves a good person.

[BigT]

@k9bfriender

In any case, to the OP, yes, absolutely. have said a few times on these boards that expressing religion is a form of virtue signalling. If we all agree that christians are good people, then calling oneself a christian means that they are a good person.

As it is certainly not the case that anyone who calls themself a christian is a good person, calling yourself a christian, or invoking god or any of the other trappings of using your religion to justify your actions is a completely hollow gesture.

Thank you for using “virtue signaling” correctly.

[Novelty_Bobble]

I’ve yet to see any correlation between claims of a belief in a god or gods and being a good person.

An exchange such as the one in the OP would immediately make me suspicious of the motives of both the person who asked such a question and the one who responded.

[SteveG1]

Why is it, that the worst bastards on the world, the Roy Moores, religious right bigots, child raping priests, so-called “evangelical” control freaks, etc, always have to yammer on and on about God??? They better hope he doesn’t exist.

Opinion | Trump exposes the hypocrisy of Christian Republicans

… A political, moral and religious failure of massive, discrediting proportions. …
… The rejection of Christian teaching …
… under a thick layer of hypocrisy …
… Perhaps silence is the best option. …

[EscAlaMike]

@Try2B_Comprehensive

For perspective, imagine how people would have reacted if the question were, “Do you swear to Allah…” or, “Would you stake your karma on your honesty?” Put it like that and suddenly everyone notices the unwelcome intrusion of religion into public policy.

LOL, by “everyone”, I assume you mean “the right”.

But even so, there is no public policy involved in a SCJ confirmation hearing.