Dude, what are you trying to accomplish here?
Your OP was blithering nonsense. This forum is an off-shoot of GD; can we try and keep some standards?
Not really a standard, more like a guideline.
How’s a senior member of the Obama Adminsitration raising just that argument
Or a Democratic US Senator (Rockerfeller) implying it may be behind part of the opposition to Obamacare
A former President bringing up racism in the opposition to Obama
In a NOV13 Rasmussenpoll24% of Americans believed racism was the primary factor in opposition to Obama.
NOV14 Rasmussen poll - 31% of all voters and 87% of black voters think the opposition to Obama is primarily =based on racism. That link also does a comparison across multiple polls showing a trend up:
While not at the hyperbolic level FP used, there most certainly is an idea in the wild that opposition to Obama is heavily or even primarily driven by racism. About 1 in 3 American voters buy it as of 15 months ago. It seems to be trending up. Implying that link is demonstrably in the recent Democratic playbook to deal with the right’s hyperpartisan opposition to Obama. It’s certainly in a good chunk of the American voters’ minds. I’d guess those that believe that skew Democratic and it’s even higher than 1 in 3 among likely primary voters.
Just because I don’t recall ever hearing a Justin Bieber song doesn’t mean they don’t exist. 
Maybe you don’t understand the difference between ‘some’ and ‘all.’
‘There are people whose opposition to Obama and his policies is due to racism’ = some of the opposition to Obama is due to racism.
‘Anyone whose opinion of Obama is negative is racist’ = all of the opposition to Obama is due to racism.
Got that? Good.
I was a Jesse Jackson alternate delegate to the 1988 Texas nominating convention. So sad now.
I’m not a Hillary supporter (been feelin’ the Bern lately), but I thought her closing statement was quite good. Very good, in fact. Your paraphrase is pretty laughable, Tripolar. Not sure why you have it in for Clinton so badly. Fact is, she is a good debater. She was a good debater in '08 and she’s been doing a good job this time, too.
Seriously, how on earth can you fault a pol for offering an uplifting closing statement? They all try to do that, and HRC did it very successfully last night.
Yeah, Carter only said “overwhelming portion” not “all”! So there!
You must know that a great many Americans do hate Obama because they hate black people. That has been obvious ever since early 2008.
Keep in mind, some people just are conservative. They are suspicious of change. Not talking about reactionaries, here, people who want to roll back change, just people who are uncomfortable with the idea. Its a personality type at least as much as a political stripe, perhaps more. Nothing actually wrong with that, and if even if there were something, its not something that can be fixed.
What I’m getting at is that Obama represented change in their minds. And certainly race plays a factor in that “otherness”, but only because it is a change, its different. Having a weird ass name is just the cherry on top. Shit, Jimmy Carter was more “radical” that Obama ever was, or is likely to be!
Anyway, I’m thinking these people won’t be nearly so freaked out by a woman as President, now that a black man has been there. But a socialist Jew with an Einstein hair-style administered with a Weed whacker? Now, being white doesn’t enter into it. They might vote for Hillary, but they won’t vote for Sanders.
THe problem with a bunch of quotes is that there’s a need to address all of them. I’d rather look at this example in particular.
Carter was NOT talking about opposition to Obamacare. He was NOT talking about disagreeing with Obama on proper immigration policy. He was talking about some specific ways of addressing the president, ways that involved “personal attacks,” “intensely demonstrated animosity.”
Now, you may disagree that the equation of Obama with Hitler is motivated by racism, sure. That’s a debatable question. But it’s not simply hyperbole to paraphrase Carter as saying, “Anyone who has any sort of negative opinion about Obama is a racist.” It’d be flat-out misrepresenting Carter’s point.
To be clear on this: F-P didn’t mention Carter. It was DinoR who mentioned Carter’s quote to buttress F-P’s claim. So F-P doesn’t need to defend the citation; DinoR does.
Well no duh, that’s the real story behind the rise of the Tea Party.
The ‘not everyone’ refrain is weak. Not everyone anything. But there are folks who equate criticism of Obama to racism, just like there are folks that equate supporting Sanders over Clinton as sexist. It’s stupid, but it’s true. Denial that these folks exist is silly. Here’s a whole thread where people say things that are basically, well, not ALL criticism from ALL people are racist, but a bunch is.
Well, a bunch is, as you know.
I didn’t see that. I shut it off when they were winding up. But this is why I hate watching the network commentators. They keep reinterpreting the actual words of the debate to emphasize certain memories, according to their own biases. I suppose they could fabricated that memory for you.
I wish we could lay this whole “Anyone who has any sort of negative opinion about Obama is a racist.” thing to rest but it’s been explained thoroughly by people smarter than me and folks still are saying that.
There is opposition to Obama that resides solely is his actual policies rather than his race but the problem is that many, if indeed not most, of his critics are willing to play footsie with those whose opposition is racially based or based on gross racially-fueled (often ludicrous) misinterpretations of his policy that it often seems that the entirety of his opposition is reading from the same handbook. If there were more instances of people who would say, “I don’t like Obama, but those monkey comparisons go a little too far.”, I’d be happy.
I may be confused. Do you think that no personal animosity against Obama is racist? Do you think a negligible quantity is racist? Do you think a significant quantity, but not a majority, is racist?
The first statement is unambiguously false. The second is almost certainly false, but we get into some wiggle room. The third one is one I can live with, depending on what “personal animosity” means.
If we get into the realm of political disagreements with Obama, I’ll gladly lead the charge against attributing most political disagreements to racism. At the same time, I’ll say how disappointed I am to see so many conservatives making bedfellows with the more racist elements of their party.
I don’t think I can quantify it, but there is certainly a non-zero amount of criticism that is racist.
There’s plenty of policy disagreements to be had, but they get shut down whenever someone makes allusions to race based criticisms. Doing so is lazy. Have you not seen that type of tactic? In recent memory, here’s a post that attributes increase in demand for firearms to Obama being black. If Hillary is elected, and there are similar surges in demand when she tries to do whatever she is going to do, will that be because she is a woman? The idea is facile.
Part of the disconnect on this issue is that the people who think much of the criticism of Obama comes from racism also just generally see a lot more racism in the world than the typical American.
A lot of conservatives think you cannot be racist if you voted for Obama, for example. Or if you do not consciously hate African-Americans. A lot of liberals think that most Americans are racist to a greater or lesser extent, and would certainly include, say, Hillary Clinton among the racists.
So this isn’t only or primarily a debate about what actually motivates Obama’s critics. It is also a debate about what we call racism and how widespread that prejudice is in America.
I think you’ll find a lot of those ‘privileged’ (i.e., white) voters supporting Bernie are also in favor of Black Lives Matter.
I’ve been in with those Tumblr kids talking about Bernie, and about fighting corruption, and free college tuition, and zero-deductible health insurance (OK, I’m over 15 years old myself). I haven’t really talked about his stance on the race issues, except that he was associated with the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the 60’s. Maybe that was too white & privileged of me.
I haven’t been pushing Bernie as ‘the answer to systemic racism.’ I worried when I saw how white his Iowa spot was. I think he was too slow to really come out & speak loudly on racism.
I saw Killer Mike endorse him, but I don’t know Killer Mike.
But now he’s got Shaun King behind him, and Eric Garner’s daughter did a spot for him, and Cornel West likes him. Harry Belafonte endorsed him yesterday, & I’m almost hoping my mom will be OK with a socialist President if Harry Belafonte likes him.
Never mind the Goldwater Girl crap. That’s just teenage ignorance. Bernie didn’t cut AFDC and break Marian Wright Edelman’s heart; Bill Clinton did. Bernie didn’t reverse course on bankruptcy law and break Elizabeth Warren’s heart; Hillary Clinton did.
Bernie could have managed this campaign better before now; but he’s actually trying now, even if I think it’s late in the season.
HRC could have managed her life and choices better; when the chips were down, she & Bubba ran away from defending the poor.
If you want to abstain, or vote for the Black Panther Party, hey, that’s on you. But in the Democratic Party this year, this race, you can vote for a white guy who took a while to really come on board with BLM this campaign, or a white lady who says the right things until she gets in power and then kicks everybody in the kidneys for selfish reasons.
Meh. I already was seriously unhinged.