I am surprised the OP didn’t use “Bernie Babies” as one of his jibes.
I was going to pit them by that name, but since this thread is already here, I will just join it, even though unlike the OP, I didn’t and would not vote for Bernie, unless it was in the general election, because unlike the Bernie Babies, I’m not a poor sport who will sit home and sulk if my candidates don’t get as many votes as their primary opponents. They need to grow the fuck up.
BERNIE BABIES: Waaahhh…it’s not fair! All those Establishment types are usurping the power that rightly belongs to us, the ‘true progressive base’ of the party.
DEMOCRATIC GROWNUPS: Wait, aren’t you mostly a bunch of middle class white kids? So you’re the base, and you should run the party, but black and brown people, environmental organizations, labor unions, and everyone over 30 should just sit down and shut up? Have you ever done any grunt work for the party, or for downballot races? Do you even vote in the midterms?
BERNIE BABIES: Waahhh! I borrowed $100K to get a comparative religions degree from a private college, and now I want the government to pay it back.
DEMOCRATIC GROWNUPS: Hmmm…your family looks pretty well off. Shouldn’t we target federal student aid to the needy?
BERNIE BABIES: You’re, like, all old and stuff. You just don’t get it. I’m gonna go vote for Jill.Stein, she really gets me.
Nice cherry pick but evades the questions. For that matter, how many MBA’s can we support? How many kids we got in college right now who think that the Wolf of Wall Street is a role model? And how many years have we been assuring kids that a college education is the ticket to the middle class? Do you really need a liberal arts degree to sit in a meeting and wait for your cue to agree with the boss? What is college for?
And their parents still buy that bullshit! They feel like they’ve failed their children if they cannot provide them with a college education, they set them off in the marathon race with their shoes untied! So of course they encourage those kids to take out loans, seems a reasonable investment to buy your ticket.
Exactly so. It is boggling when you realize that, had it merely been called Romneycare, it would have been championed as the Republican victory it, in fact, is.
Sanders is the Senator America needs. We’d be much, much better off if a majority of Senators were like him. The character stuff that makes Sanders a good person for a legislative body, IMO, doesn’t all translate to the Presidency. The needs of the office are different.
More importantly, while the GOP is in such a shambles, the Presidency is pretty safe ground for the Democrats and we need to be gaining more reliable Democratic (or Independents who will caucus with and then pretend to be Democrats when running for President even) Senate and House seats rather than promoting out the ones we already have.
Some people call Hillary voters cynics as though pragmatism in the face of reality is a vice. If that’s so then I wear my cynic badge with pride. I know I’m in a vanishing minority on this point, but the most stirred I’ve been by any politician this entire cycle has been when Hillary talks about ‘progressivism that gets things done.’
The things both candidates have done can be and have already been spun into the dirt, so if you respond with “well what about Clinton this” or “Sanders that” and I don’t reply, you’re not right, you’ve more likely just uttered something not worth engaging
The GOP wants to kill it purely because it was proposed by Obama. It was developed by the Dems in the spirit of seeking common ground, but that has proved pointless to attempt for the last seven years due to mindless obstructionism.
You got a cite for this, or is this more of your playing fast and loose with the truth?
We can define your terms:
“Mostly”–let’s be generous and say more than 60%
“Middle class”–let’s be generous and talk about any household income greater than double the poverty level.
“White”–no problem
“Kids”–let’s be generous and say that anyone under the age of 30 is considered a kid by a nasty old fart like yourself.
Can you back up your claim? Are you defining your terms differently? Or is this more of your belief that grownups get to lie about anything they want as long as it advances their cause?
Wait a minute…Slacker, are you a baby boomer? That would explain so goddamned much about you. Not all boomers think they’re god’s gift to enlightenment, but it’s definitely a risk factor for that syndrome.
Let’s pretend this is true. Doesn’t that show that despite the best (or worst) efforts of the GOP to stop Obamacare it got through? I.e. their obstructionism wasn’t enough to prevent it. That seems like a pretty good indication that conservatism isn’t growing.
I will work on finding some data on the question. In the meantime, can you back up your claim that I’m a habitual prevaricator?
Also, before I look at any data I’m going to concede that you may have me on a technicality. So I will withdraw my claim and substitute it with the one that I meant to make but spoke imprecisely:
Middle-class white kids are the only demographic group (race/gender/income) that mostly supports Sanders.
I agree to use your definition of “mostly”, “kids”, and “middle-class”, with the proviso that the last category also includes the wealthy.
I am not. To give you an idea: I was precocious in my interest in politics and history, but I was not aware there was such a thing as a president until the Carter Administration. I was alive when Ford was in office, but he is a figure from the history books for me, even though my parents listened to NPR constantly and watched PBS Newshour every night.
