A lack of sense of humor and a sincere feeling do not have to be mutually exclusive. I’m sure a lot of people get sincerely upset due to their lack of sense of humor.
Never happened. That was a piece of Allied propaganda caused by looping the film.
Amen—The choice of “I Will Survive” tells me his grandchildren were the driving force between this whole thing; It would have been nice if music that may have had meaning to a 90 year-old Polish man, showcasing the dignity of ultimate triumph over evil, as opposed to a played-out disco hit from the 1970’s.
That said, as a holocaust survivor, I suppose anything he wanted to do on the site of so much personal sorrow is his call…
To assume, as you implied in your first post, that everyone who disagrees with you does so because there’s something wrong with them is, among other adjectives, just plain wrong.
You’re reading a lot into my post that just isn’t there.
I love silliness. But silliness is not appropriate at all times and in all places. As I said, I do not have a personal connection to the Holocaust, so I’m certainly not going to condemn these people for what they chose to do. But I have been to Auschwitz, and it seems to me that acting that way there would have been inappropriate, and potentially hurtful to other visitors who were mourning their loved ones. It’s just like you wouldn’t go to, say, the Vietnam Memorial, or Ground Zero, and dance around like a goof. At least I hope people don’t do that.
What? Disturb someone who is feeling like hell? How dare anyone!
Seriously… I can certainly appreciate how the desire to actually participate in something like this might not be universally shared, sure.
BUT… the idea that one family’s choice to express their joy on the sites of the Holocaust would be:
hurtful
wounding
rude
inconsiderate
insulting
yada
yada
yada…
is, in my own freakass opinion, not something I care much about or even have much respect for. (Echoes of my thread of a few months ago “how is your Alzheimer’s manifesting?”) It’s a choice, by which I mean the choice of the offended/wounded/whatevered. I don’t think this man and his family or people who are on their wavelength and appreciate what they were doing would ever expect anyone else to experience their feelings the same way, and they wouldn’t seek to impose their expression and their feelings on anyone else.
So why do the Bummer People think they have a right to? The Bummer People want to feel totally bummed out when they think about The Bummer to End All Bummers. Fine. Whatever. Not my choice, but have at it. (To my mind, that just keeps the hell of it all going, which keeps the Nazis winning. They may not have annihilated everyone they wanted to, but look at the lingering misery! I think if you lined up a bunch of true blue Nazis and showed them people wailing and weeping and piling stones, then showed them this video, they would be smiling in satisfaction at the weepers, and be pissed off at the video. I’m all for pissing off the murderous assholes, not giving them a drop of satisfaction.)
The Joyful People want to celebrate life, and joy, and silliness and laughter and music and dancing as a refutation of the Bummer To End All Bummers. That is their absolute right, and the only way anyone can feel insulted or disrespected or hurt is if they wanna be. Which they will, because that’s how the Bummer People respond to things: they amp up the bummer.
(Bummer People are not exclusively holocaust survivors - I mean all people who choose to view all bummers as Bummers That Must Always Bum You Out, Dammit, and failing to always “feel the bummer” is interpreted as rude. Well, tough shit. I think your need to insist on everyone being Appropriately Bummed so as not to offend you is rude.)
Shrug The words are there. People can decide for themselves.
My apologies for the hijack. I won’t carry it further.
Good grief. The video was taken down, due to a complaint by the copyright holder of that song. I can understand why they’d do it - if you don’t vigorously enforce copyright, you can lose it - but come on. That’s just cold.
And get their 20-something mugs all over Youtube, by having (making?) their 90 year-old grandpa participate in something that he clearly shows no enthusiasm for, something that will be sure to get plenty of attention from the masses…
The grandfather has a right to do whatever the hell he wants to at that hallowed ground—His attention grubbing grandchildren do not.
God, this place fucking sucks.
I don’t think it’s inappropriate or offensive or anything, but I don’t really see the point. The Nazis are dead. It’s not like they can see him or anything. It’s not revenge.
HUH???
Way to jump to ridiculously negative conclusions. How do you even invent that in your head?
According to…MPB? God? The Sheriff of the Holocaust?
His (non attention grubbing MAN that is so incredibly bizarre I can’t believe you said that) grandchildren can actually do whatever they hell the damn please.
These days I feel like I can see you in my minds eye, sitting in front of your computer with a grumpy look on your face and you look nothing like you did in my head five years ago. It’s kinda weird.
By the way “The” Nazis are not any more universally dead than the the jews who survived their torture. And there’s new “nazis” coming along all the time.
So because one of them is a Holocaust survivor, that automatically means, “oh, okay, it’s not offensive then!” :dubious:
God, I found it creepy as hell. (And I don’t even have sound on my computer at the moment). “I Will Survive?” Ugh.
:rolleyes:
Well, they can’t infringe copyrights.
CopyRIGHT, and they didn’t, they danced. His daughter made the video and posted it.
I don’t understand how this could be viewed as anything other than a middle finger solute to Hitler. “We’re alive and well and you’re Thousand Year Reich lies in the ash heap of history.”
Precisely! Exactly. On the nose. ding! Ding ding! Give the girl a cigar! That’s why, rather than offensive, it’s wonderful and thrilling and moving and delightful, all things which are pretty much the opposite of offensive.
It wasn’t Gaynor’s version by the way.
The Nazis who put this guy in tht camp are dead and are incapable of caring that he dances to shitty 70’s disco songs.
I’m not saying there’s anything WRONG with it, and it’s fine if it makes him feel better, but it can’t be accurately characterized as revenge. Those who victimized him are beyond the reach of any vengeance. I say that with sadness, not contempt. I can’t help seeing the act as futile.