He was marginalized in 1991. The psycho kept bouncing back every few years.
Oil-for-illegal cash? Bribing the member nations of the UN security council?
It was the best way and we did it.
The speech said “we will” not “we did”. We did try.
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So what? War kills people; are we supposed to take from this that they didn’t screw the war up because he predicted people would die?
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Everything in the speech was spelled out beforehand is all I am saying.
Jeez, isn’t this like the 6,000th time someone tried to argue that Clinton felt the same way as GW and therefore we should all be okee dokee with the current state of affairs?
Where was he bouncing, exactly?
That was crooked, but who was threatened by this? You?
You’ve confused “wishing,” as in “I wish everything will work out like I want it to,” with “trying,” which involves effort and planning.
And every silly argument in your post was spelled out, and ignored, many years ago.
Irrelevant. The same is true of scores of other heads of state, including George W. Bush.
False – and also irrelevant.
Absolute horseshit.
There was no threat.
False. It took very little time and very little effort to bring change to Iraq. Unfortunateely, the changes were all for the worse.
The utterest horsehit. Have you read a newspaper in the last few years?
A fatuous truism which argues more against your position than for it.
Duh. That’s why you don’t do it without a good reason, dipshit.
When the invasion itself is unjustified, the “unintentional” harm to civilians is not unintentional at all. The decision to incur civilian casualties by attacking miltary targers unnecessarily is morally indistinguishable from deciding to kill civilians just for the hell of it. Timothy McVeigh shrugged off his own murders of children with the same justification.
Not only that, but most of the harm to civilians has come after we were no longer engaged in hostilities with the Iraqi military. Not only that but plenty of harm to civilians HAS been intentional (Abu Ghraib?).
I did not need to argue. I posted a speech and agreed with it.
Other people argued that :
– It’s like you’ve posted the manifesto of a mass murderer –
and
– What a weak speech –
If people need to beat the speech down, then they are free to.
I liked it.
It is also not “nice” to have a President who used fabricated evidence to invade another country, and then proceeds to so completely botch the job that there are no good options on how to solve the problem. It’s not “nice” that we’re currently pouring some $2 billion a week down what is effectively the world’s largest rat hole. It is not “nice” that nearly six years after 9/11 Osama’s not had a bullet put through his brain and that Al Qaeda is just as strong as ever (thus the several thousand Americans who’ve paid the ultimate price in this war have had their lives wasted). Considering the injustices that I’ve just listed that this Administration has done, insulting the office of the President is so far off the radar scope in terms of being “not nice” as to be in another universe.
Would you do everybody a favor and go back under your bridge?
He would bounce back as a military power every once in a while after Gul War I
Anyone who is familiar with the power of the UN Security Council. Saddam was.
Clinton wrote/spoke those words as a wish? Why would he wish those things in that speech without wanting to try them? Are you saying that the Bush administration failed Clinton’s wishes as laid out in that speech?
Ten years from now I’ll be pulling the old Clinton and his “The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government” speech.
It will be twice as effective in the future because no one can ignore the speech. They can only spin it when it comes up.
Spinning does not last long in history. This ain’t nothing.
Yes!
I know how hard it is to let some shmuck get in the last word, especially if his arguments aren’t the slightest bit coherent.
That may be what needs to be done with this ____.
I for one have quite a bit of respect for the office of the president of the USA. I just wish those who voted for GW had a little more.
If I was a troll I would not have a well-defined set of morals and beliefs.
Am I making the pit an unpleasant place or is the subject matter making you nervous? Your fascist tone is not pleasing me one bit.
Another fascist. What gives? I am in the pit, right? I didn’t even insult anyone and you are all acting like thought should be suppressed.
People cannot stay away from a DevNull post.
Uh-oh. Better watch out, Marley. You’re not pleasing the troll one bit.
Aren’t you frightened?
Oh, and for the record:
“A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.” [Robert O. Paxton, “The Anatomy of Fascism,” 2004]
Pot, meet kettle.
Heh. You’re the pussy who prefaced your OP by saying you didn’t have the spine to defend yourself in a debate.
That sounds illegal.
You should impeach the guy.
If he did it yesterday then eight months from now you should have him impeached. What? What’s that? five years ago? He supposedly did this FIVE YEARS AGO???
What’s the hold up? Having a hard time fabricating the fabricated evidence? (snicker)
Five years. Oh boy. that is so rich.
I can.
Damn!
I’m pretty sure you imagined this.
…Was threatened by the bribery? I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean.
You’re not big on this “reading” thing, are you? ‘We’ did not try to plan anything as far as occupying Iraq goes. The government hoped some things would work out, and that was about it.
You’re right. I should never have suggested that a politician would say something he didn’t mean. That would never happen.
Good- nobody will be listening then, either, but thanks for the advance warning. It’ll help me tune you out.
Quick math - what’s two times zero?
… and a few posts later…
I think that you genuinely believe what you are saying. This is why you are a nutcase.
Oh, no, not at all. I was just giving everyone in this thread an out so-to-speak.
We’re all too well aware of your wit and wisdom, it’d be a shame to see some of our more established colleagues here get trampled by your superior intellect and debate skills.
If thinking that makes you comfortable, I wish you luck with it.
That you felt compelled to take the time and write me about your feelings on the matter is a bit odd… but once again, the reason my threads are so wildly popular is my genuine concern for the welfare of my debate opponents. a little steam needed to be blown off by them so I set up this little corner, as provided by the rules. It’s nothing major, but it will do.
Thank you for your participation.