Plenty. You do realise that slavery was endemic throughout the world?
These attacks won’t end until they are.
The other 35,000+ deaths by firearms won’t go down much at all either, until the populace is disarmed.
The only way this stops is for you, and other gun owners, to lay down your guns for good.
You do realize that the United States was one of the last industrialized nations out of all of Europe and the Wstern Hemisphere to outlaw slavery (except for those enlightened economic powerhouses of Brazil and Cuba), and that the United Stated maintaned a system of “peonage” that was little more than forcible indentured servitude up through the mid-Twentieth century? Here, read up:
*1865 Congress gives final passage to, and a sufficient number of states ratify, the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to outlaw slavery. The amendment reads: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
1888 The Lei Aurea, or Golden Law, ends slavery in South America when the legislature of Brazil frees the country’s 725,000 slaves.
1865-1920 Following the American Civil War, hundreds of thousands of African Americans are re-enslaved in an abusive manipulation of the legal system called “peonage.” Across the Deep South, African-American men and women are falsely arrested and convicted of crimes, then “leased” to coal and iron mines, brick factories, plantations, and other dangerous workplaces. The system slows down after World War I but doesn’t fully end until the 1940s.*
Stranger
Are you suggesting that we spend additional time outside of our work schedule getting training? I covered that under my suggestion that we give teachers less time with their families. Are you suggesting that we do it as regularly-scheduled CE? If so, what training am I currently getting that you’d get rid of to make room?
So what? That has nothing to do with the US being ‘built on white supremacy’.
Man, you are one funny guy, a veritable riot of importune dissimulation. The institutional slavery built into the essential compromises of the founding document and early history of the nation is not based on white supremacy! That’s some Cosby-level dissonance! Take that shit on tour, man!
Stranger
split p&j, Stranger On A Train, Quartz, Derleth, BeenJammin, and anyone else who wishes to continue the discussion about white supremacy: take it to another thread. This particular side track is pretty far afield now from the question asked in the OP of this thread. No more in here.
The mileage in your state may differ and times change but basically — yes because you already have to get extra training outside your work schedule. I instruct at seminars that count as CE credits for practicing teachers (K-12 and my personal expertise is history), each seminar being basically x (it varies from an hour to 4 hours long) training in a specific subject or an 8 hour day of several classes combined being counted as y credits. Its a requirement for keeping your certificate/certification current. You get to pick the exact ones you attend from a list of those being provided.
So instead of “Craft-paper — Your Friend”, silly person that I am, I am suggesting you consider signing up for that one on “Dealing With a Shooting Situation”. You already have to give up your precious time with your family and given a choice between the two the second could be the wiser choice. At least giving you the knowledge even if you never have to use it.
Please do not overlook the obvious fact that quite a few teachers would be armed of their own volition and nobody would ever even know about it IF the gun bans were simply lifted.
Yes. The talk of “arming teachers” is a red herring. We just need to stop disarming the teachers who carry outside of school. Drop the “gun free zone” and the schools would be safer tomorrow (not perfectly safe – nothing is) – and at zero cost.
Eggs-actly. Monsters know that schools are gun-free zones. The only people who won’t have firearms are the teachers, staff, parents, and students. They’ll obey the law. If teachers, or staff, wish to carry a firearm in these gun-free zones, they should be allowed to do so. It’s obvious that security guards, and police, may/will congregate on the outside of the school. We’re on our own until help arrives. Being a guard, or police officer, does not mean that they have to/must sacrifice their lives for ours. It’s not in the job description.
As I understand it, this was the second time this monster brought a weapon into a school. He had been ejected from a school. A witness said he saw him shooting his neighbors chickens. He told his friends that he wanted to be a school shooter. He had multiple visits from local police. When he bragged about school shootings on the internet, the FBI was notified. Twice. This guy had enough red flags to outfit a Mayday parade. But no one arrested this monster, or ordered a mental health hearing, that could have prevented this monster from buying/owning a firearm.
You won’t stop mass murders. Stopping potential mass murderers will also stop mass shootings. Stopping mass shootings doesn’t stop mass murders. Bombs, cars, trucks, airplanes, explosives, poison, etc. will still be available to some psychopath who chooses to commit mass murder.
I think I may actually have seen one. The dagger, not the katana. Thinking back, it may have been a fishing knife which incorporated a ruler on the handle and sheath.
[psycho killer hat on] I wanna shoot up a place, but where? I know! I’ll go to the place that offended me and give 'em what for![/psycho killer hat off]
- Schools, usually shot up by students
- Work place, usually shot up by disgruntled employee
- Night clubs, seems like someone doesn’t care for the predominant demographic in attendance
There are exceptions, I don’t believe Lanza was a former Sandy Hook student, but he was fascinated with school shootings. My point is, it’s not that the shooters are necessarily looking for defenseless targets, it’s the target itself that is the attraction.
What do people do when confronted with a reoccurring problem? They analyze the issue and come up with solution(s). How’s this school shooting problem been going?
The difference between smart people and dumb people is not that smart people don’t make mistakes. They just don’t keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
Now tell us where there exists a large group of people out in public somewhere apart from a military formation training in the field that is not basically defenseless against a killer armed with automatic weapons?
Has it escaped everyones’ attention that there was already an armed and trained individual on the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School campus (albeit a cowardly and pervicaciously derelict one) which appears to have done nothing to deter the shooter? It would seem that is is the ralk of teachers possessing weapons in the classroom that is the “red herring”, particularly given the response of students, individual educators, and the National Education Association. Once insurers or self-insured municipalities get their heads around the massive increase in liability is presented by arming educators or allowing teachers to store and carry weapons on school premises, it seems unlikely that school administrators and municipal governments are going to be to hot on the notion, either. In fact, the only people who really seem to br promotion this as a ‘solution’ is thr NRA and its political mouthpieces and the “an armed society is a polite society” ideologues whose views aren’t actually supported by any actual evidence of any armed society being overly polite or preventing loons like Nikolas Cruz from engaging in a mass shooting.
It is possible, despite the oppositional thinking that no regulation is permissible, to have a society where firearms are available to responsible people can own firearms for lawful purposes and we can still take effective measures to vet and restrict access to firearms to dangerously unstable individuals, particularly those with an extensive history of violent threats and behavior. Suggesting that the only workable solution is to allow or require teachers to bring firearms into the classroom (a surprising number of whom don’t seem to be able to even restrain themselves from having sex with underage students and often posting details on social media) is like insisting that the only way to beat the summer heat is running faster to enhance evaporation.
Stranger
Gun range? Cop shop? Say…there haven’t been widely-reported stories of such places being shot up. You may be on to something. 
Bro, it was your qualifier: “take away the certainty that the shooters targets are all defenseless” that prompted my response, the short version of which was: “it doesn’t look like shooters generally take ‘defenselessness target’ into consideration.” Indeed, you are right–most anyplace a shooter wants to set up shop will involve a low probability of meaningful return fire. So are you suggesting the populace in general needs to be more heavily and predictably armed? Is that the sort of chat we’re having? Because I’m not really open to that idea.
No, they don’t.
What preposterous nonsense.
Every school shooter there has ever been chose a school to which they had a connection; they were a student (Columbine, Virginia Tech), held a grievance with the school (Ecole Polytechnique) or it was simply the nearest school they could get to and they had a thing with schools in general (Sandy Hook). No school shooter ever has chosen a school because it advertised itself as a gun free zone. It has never happened.
Had a few teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas been carrying, Nikolas Cruz would still have gone there and he almost certainly would still have shot 17 people to death. Hell, maybe he’d have shot one more when some hopelessly outgunned teacher had come at him, who knows? What’s for sure is he’d have been there shooting.
Stranger