I thought that assassin did indeed report in at the end of season 5 that Lalo was dead, and then Lalo offed him anyway. Or did I dream it?
Yeah, this is the sort of thing I’m complaining about generally. I don’t mind one or two or even three complicated, secretive, tricky, subtle elements in a script, but there were certainly far too many of such things going on for my satisfaction here.
I’m not sure the show is intending for us to understand everything about the hotel situation yet, but I may be missing something as well.
It looks like it’s just Gus setting up Nacho. Gus’s guy on the phone gets Nacho to wait at the hotel, and Gus has another guy watching. We know the watcher and phone guy are together, because when Nacho calls his contact, the watcher’s phone immediately rings. Meanwhile, Mike plants the info in Nacho’s safe for Bolsa to find. The idea being, I guess, that Bolsa will send the twins (or whoever), who will kill Nacho, and Gus is set: Lalo and Nacho are both dead, and nothing traces back to him.
Except that doesn’t really make much sense. If Gus wants Nacho dead, just have someone shoot him instead of this long ploy, with several people involved, not to mention the fact that the twins will try to get information out of Nacho instead of just killing him outright.
You may be right–it’s been a while since I saw the S5 finale. But Wiki claims the last guy lived.
Totally. Seems absurdly elaborate: Gus wants Nacho dead, Gus doesn’t want the cartel to interrogate him, Gus has a gunman in the motel for days on end. Why am I left wondering what Gus is thinking here? There are about eight mysteries in these episodes, none of which show any sign of achieving clarity any time soon.
I’d be surprised Lalo would do that, let him live. He killed two of his own people at the beginning of last night’s episode because they saw him alive after the attempted assassination.
To say nothing about an enduring mystery: Don Eladio has humiliated Gus (executing his partner/lover Max in front of him while holding a gun to Gus’s head) yet he goes into business with Gus, not thinking that maybe this guy wants to take revenge on him and the Salamancas? Seems a mistake I learned not to make in kindergarten: if someone hates you, maybe don’t put him in a position to do you harm.
We don’t see what happens with that guy at the end of S5 - we just see him starting to make the call that Lalo asked him to, and then later we see Lalo limping away. But I’m pretty sure that’s the same guy we see dead near the start of the first new episode, in the shot that starts with the ant crawling on his hand.
Now that makes sense.
Agreed.
It came up at the end of last season. Jimmy is still part of the Sandpiper (retirement home) case that Howard is working on. They’re trying to sabotage Howard so he has to settle the case and Jimmy will get millions of dollars out of it.
Yeah, I got that part. This still seems ridiculously elaborate as a means to their goal. Maybe HHM goes bust as a result of their sabotaging Howard and a new firm has to take over the case, delaying Jimmy’s payday even more. This just seems like a Rube Goldberg device if that’s its only intention.
- They explicitly say in episode 1 that all the assassins are dead. It’s part of what made Gus skeptical that Lalo was actually killed.
- I thought the voice on the phone was Tyrus?
- Merely killing Nacho only suits one part of Gus’s plan, that Nacho doesn’t implicate Gus. It doesn’t help with framing Nacho though.
- It felt like Bob Odenkirk was phoning it in a bit, especially at the country club. Gus’s acting also didn’t impress me.
All in all, glad it’s back. I have faith in Vince Gilligan.
I didn’t recognize the voice, but it could be. In the last scene when Mike receives a call, Tyrus says he’s been trying to call Nacho for hours.
Was the little doodad left in the gutter in the opening scene an object of known significance? I don’t remember seeing it before.
It was the stopper for zafiro anejo tequila. It’s come multiple times before. I think the first time Jimmy and Kim conned a guy into buying them a lot of it.
Yeah, Zafiro Anejo has turned up several times on BCS; it also showed up in BB (It was the tequila bottle that Gus used to poison Don Eladio and the cartel capos).
Of all the characters, I am most interested in finding out what happens to Kim. Of course, we know what happens to many of the characters (Jimmy, Mike, Gus) and can probably guess what happens to some others (I imagine Nacho and Lalo both aren’t getting out alive), but Kim is definitely a wild card.
It was definitely Tyrus.
And yea, Gus wants to frame Nacho in a way that is completely unconnected to Gus. I think it would be suspicious (to others) if Gus knew exactly where Nacho was right now (why should Gus know that). So if Gus kills him, he’d have to disappear the body and unable to frame him.
Also, They expected and thought Lalo dead and unable to point the finger at Gus.
Haven’t read the thread as I want to avoid spoilers. But I checked again last night, and Netflix just offered the 1st 5 seasons. Gotta figure out how to find it where.
Since I won’t be checking this thread for responses, anyone w/ suggestions feel free to PM me. And feel free to mock m ignorance WRT my TV services! 
In the first episode we meet Saul Goodman in S2 of Breaking Bad, he tells Walt and Jesse that Ignacio did “it” (whatever he’s afraid he’s kidnapped for) and when they are confused, he asks Lalo didn’t send you? Which makes me think that Nacho and Lalo are both alive, or at least Saul thinks they are.
Kim dark turn from the end of last season and the “stick” this season makes me think the end won’t be happy for her (for a while I thought she would end up leaving Jimmy after he crossed the line too many times). Though, she may not die, but rather be spending all of BB in jail, or be one of the first one of Saul’s clients to use the vacuum cleaner man.
That reminds me, I was thinking about the vacuum guy. In witness protection, the government can get you a new identity by creating new Social Security numbers and working with state agencies. How does the vacuum guy do it? Do we think he pays off someone in the federal witness protection program? Otherwise, what happens when someone who’s been whisked away, to say Omaha, needs to get their license renewed?