That we skimmed several weeks ago and forgot about? That’s not the norm in tv show threads here over the last twenty plus years and these threads are meant for real time discussing and not for people reading it several weeks or more later. Sorry but expecting people to follow that is delusional.
I wonder how they will deal with Howard’s body and presumably his car. Marsellus isn’t sending the Wolf.
I think the veterinarian may have a guy in his little black book that can do the job. And in a perfect world, that guy would be played by Bjarne Mädel.
Well, if they make it look like a suicide, of course his car is parked out front. And of course his body is right there.
And he had been drinking and his life is a mess. They’ll definitely make it like a suicide which is plausible.
Anyone tried out Chuck’s gimmick with the soda can yet? They wouldn’t just make up something like that if it didn’t actually work, would they?
I saw his visit to Kim and Saul as a parallel to the German woodsman. Lalo definitely plans to kill them, but he needs as much info as he can get first. Howard had no information to give him though, and Lalo can’t be seen alive until he has proof to bring Eladio and the cartel of Gus’s disloyalty. So Howard had to go. And Lalo definitely doesn’t care about killing innocents, or leaving a mess for Saul to clean up or the cops to find.
He’s grasping at straws at this point. He doesn’t have proof, even after his trip to Germany, and he can’t get it with Gus and Mike’s army swarming around. So he’s trying to get any info he can which will help him bypass Gus’s security and find the proof he needs. But until then, he can’t leave anyone alive who has seen him. I’m surprised he left Mrs. Ziegler alive, but she didn’t know who he was and couldn’t blow his secret.
I am surprised we didn’t see the one German miner whose name I remember though, Kai. Wasn’t he in the trailer? I don’t imagine Lalo going back to Europe, so do we think Kai will come to New Mexico looking for revenge? Or was I wrong in imagining Kai was shown in the preview?
Agree but we know for certain that he doesn’t kill Saul. Maybe Mike gets a hunch and rushes over to save the day or Lalo decides that they’re more useful to him alive or Lalo slips up and Kim offs him with a tequila stopper.
Lalo’s situation is different now than it was in Germany. There, he was trying to lay low, because he thought everyone believed he was dead. Now, he’s aware Gus knows he’s alive, and Lalo’s trick to distract Gus’s men is a short term thing. There’s no time for subtlety.
Back to Saul & Kim’s plan against Howard, it’s true that many of the steps weren’t deal breakers. If Cliff hadn’t seen the baggie at the golf club, for instance, it doesn’t change things too much. But those steps do each give a possibility of blowing the whole thing up. For example if Howard had reacted differently when Cliff confronted him about seeing his car, the whole scheme would’ve just ended.
I do wonder whether this is intentional on the part of the writers. The earlier schemes that Jimmy went pulled off were mostly small-time, to con some mark out of a bit of cash or some expensive liquor. The fact that this scheme is so long-term and for not really a good reason just shows how off-the-rails Saul & Kim have gone. It’s not just that they’re doing it, but the convoluted way they’ve gone about it.
That and a suitably terrified Saul and Kim are far more likely to buckle and try not to snow him. Last time he was at the apartment Kim stood up to him and talked him down. Lalo was suspicious then - everything that has happened subsequently, including the attempt on his life, would have brought all that bubbling back to the surface. Killing Howard in his mind no doubt serves the purpose of hurrying along the negotiation.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, everyone on Facebook is saying Kim and Saul got Howard killed, and I just don’t see it. Yeah, they screwed him over, and he didn’t deserve that.
But if I imagine they were friends, and didn’t interfere with Sandpiper at all, Howard might still have come over to give Jimmy an update on the case he stands to make a couple million dollars from, right? Of course, if they were friends with Howard, lots of other things would be different, and maybe Lalo isn’t involved with them at all? But that’s pretty indirect, to place the blame for his death on Saul and Kim.
Lots of other theories posited Howard reacting to the drug and having a heart attack or falling and hitting his head like Chuck did. Those would have been Saul and Kim’s fault, even if it was an accident, because they drugged him. But the drugs, and really the whole plan, had nothing to do with his death, except for his angry, chance visit to their apartment at the very worst time. And I just think that’s not really their fault at all.
But man, it does explain the terror Saul displayed in his first appearance in Breaking Bad, when he thought Lalo had him kidnapped and taken to the desert to be executed.
I think you can reasonably say that Saul and Kim got Howard killed, but not because of the scam they ran on him. They got him killed because of their association with Lalo and the cartel. They’ve had options throughout the series for trying to get out, but they never did. Howard got killed because of the bad luck of how things timed out - Saul and Kim have culpability not because Howard was there, but because Lalo was.
That was a stunning ending to a mid-season finale. Does everyone get run over by a truck at the end? Just have to wait it out. The show really does need a huge finale to make it all worthwhile.
Yeah, don’t forget that if Jimmy hadn’t interfered, Lalo would be in jail right now.
Perhaps this just isn’t the show for you, given the staggering number of negative posts you’ve made. May I suggest something a little more reality based? Maybe get a good start on the NCIS franchise, I’m sure there’s not one thing there to strain your apparently overtaxed credulity.
There’s a huge problem with trying to pass it off as a suicide–Lalo is not going to leave his gun behind. The cops absolutely WILL do a ballistics test and that’s the only gun that will match. Makes more sense to call the cops and tell them a disgruntled client came after them and shot Howard–they only have to give his fake name and let the cops figure out the rest. It has the perfect plausibility of being about 99.99999% the truth–the only thing they’re holding back is their knowledge of Lalo’s true identity.
Yes. And Lalo realized it which is why he hung up the phone and had the tantrum. He then made the second call which he knew would divert resources so he could get to Jimmy and Kim.
Oh that’s right, didn’t Mike assure Kim he’d have guys watching her (and Jimmy, presumably) to watch out for Lalo showing up? And then they learn “Uh oh, Lalo’s back in Albuquerque!” and respond by taking guys off the Kim/Jimmy lookout duty?
Yeah, Mike diverted all low priority assignments to guard Fring and the laundry. And as Mike told Kim in an earlier episode he thought it was unlikely Lalo would ever reach out to her or Saul. So they, among others, were suddenly left defenseless (I wonder if the same applied to Kaylee). As a spur of the moment plan, it was smart - Lalo knows odds are stacked against him penetrating a forewarned Fring’s defenses, but this at least gives him the option to make a lateral. Or even just retreat to fight another day without Fring’s people watching the border. He was mulling his options when he saw the cockroach and had a light bulb moment.
Can someone remind me, what does Lalo know of Jimmy’s connection to Mike and Gus?
What I don’t understand is how the German (or Croatian, I think Lalo said) even knew specifically where the meth lab was being built. Wasn’t there a whole season of them living in a warehouse to hide the location? Yet Lalo knew it was in the laundry.
It’s been a long time so I don’t remember exactly but I seem to recall at least one of them figuring it out from contextual clues, which could then be fed back to the others.