Better Conservatives? Where?! (A response to Coffeecat)

“And makes her keep her baby!”

Basically, yes.

I would point out that someone’s word is legally sufficient to sustain a criminal conviction, though.

In the case at hand, Ford’s lack of specifics are not sufficient. But as a general principle, if Yvette testified that Zachary raped her on March 5,2017, at around 3:00 AM, at 348 Main Street, and specifically says that his penis entered her vagina without her consent, because she said no and begged him to stop … that alone is legally sufficient to convict, even if no corroboration is presented.

Few juries WOULD convict. But if a jury did, that is legally sufficient.

It’s weird how American right-wing propaganda can cross the Atlantic like that. And not the clever sort of propaganda, but lowest-common-denominator stuff. Stuff intended to frighten elderly shut-ins with at most a high school education.

And yet this shit propaganda managed to manipulate someone 3,500 miles away. Multiple someones, even (**Steophan **also likes to parrot Fox talking points).

God bless the internet, I guess.

Also, I’m curious how much money **Quartz **has spent on erectile dysfunction pills from pop-up ads.

Not really, when you consider Rupert Murdoch owns Fox News and Sky News in the UK. Stupid people are stupid regardless of what side of the Atlantic they are on.

Testimony is evidence. No, Ford does not have physical evidence of an attack that occurred thirty-odd years ago, and may not have eyewitness corroboration (although Mark Judge has been suspiciously holed up in his Maryland bomb shelter, apparently unwilling to come to the aid of his former associate or clear his own name by issuing an unambiguous denial), hence the need to weigh the relative credibility of the Ford and Kavanaugh. As far as that goes, Ford has reluctantly come forward and provided her best accounting of the alleged assault, which unsurprisingly lacks some details as is common with victims of violent crimes; she has nothing to gain professionally (e.g. she isn’t selling her story to tabloids or extorting anyone for a payout) and is almost certainly the target of personal attacks and threats for her testimony. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, has issued a blanket denial of not only the attack but his aggressive behavior, excessive drinking, purported sexual acts and other statements in his yearbook which have been contradicted by people associated with him at the time, and has flatly lied or dissembled about numerous other topics under oath unrelated to this allegation, all while being needlessly bellicose to senators who were questioning him. So, even if we start with the assumption that the two people have equal credibility, Kavanaugh has basically shredded his by his false testimony, while Ford has come across as intelligent, respectful, essentially truthful both about what she remembers and what she does not recall, and speaking from a place of civil responsibility rather than vengeance.

You can prattle on about how this doesn’t meet a standard for criminal prosecution–which is true, and is why many sexual assaults are not successfully prosecuted–but the point has been made repeatedly that this is not a criminal trial, and the penalties to Kavanaugh will not result in his going to prison or losing any privileges or liberties except he doesn’t get to serve on the Supreme Court, a position that he has aptly demonstrated he is not suited in either temperament or integrity to hold.

Stranger

It actually goes beyond that. Benjamin Wittes of the Hoover Institution writes at the Atlantic, “At least as I read it, though it pains me to say so, the evidence before us leans toward Ford. Let’s consider the balance sheet carefully.” He writes of motives, previous statements, Kavanaugh’s calendar, and the fact that her story is not purely uncorroborated. She spoke to her therapist about it years ago and I might add did an ugly home modeling because of her fears of living in a house with only one way out.

Yeah, shame on me for insisting on presumption of innocence and equal rights and not seeing that because Kavanaugh isn’t a Democrat nominee he should be lynched. Let’s just hope you don’t have a son who gets accused without supporting evidence

Hystericks and vapours, oh my! Loosen your corset and have some smelling salts, my dear!

Kavanaugh has a very simple solution if he doesn’t want to be ”lynched”, i.e. questioned in a public hearing about his fitness of character and past behavior; he can withdraw his nomination. As has been pointed out to you many times now, he is not on trial, not due a “presumption of innocence”, and his testimony and character are weighed against the testimony and character of other witnesses testifying at the hearing dependant upon how credible they seem to the committee and the public at large. That Kavanaugh is widely considered less credible—even by many of the normally stalwart conservatives of Fox News—is largely due to his own testimony and inconsistancy between his statements and those of people who knew him in high school and at Yale, notwithstanding his performance of “One Angry Man” last Thursday.

Neil Gorsuch didn’t have this kind of problem in his hearing despite the clear (and understandable) partisan anger over the prior blocking of Merrick Garland in 2016 even getting a hearing, primarily because while Gorsuch is clearly conservative, he’s also a competent justice that the American Bar Association rated very highly and doesn’t have a reputation as an aggressive, drunked, rapey frat boy or gave any impression that he was lying under oath.

Stranger

The incidence of false accusations is vanishing small compared to the incidence of rape.

(are you a really this dumb or just another troll?)

Are you just incapable of understanding the difference between a criminal trial and a job interview?

And, if you don’t mind… this asshole isn’t going to be making any decisions that impact your life, so shut the fuck up and let the people who WILL be impacted by this proceeding decide how they should feel about it, without your idiotic input.

It really is terribly ignorant and offensive to compare a full investigation of allegations – the result of which would be, at worst for the accused, be remaining at his present very high-status and high income job – to the mob murder and terrorism against black people.

Shame on you. Though you’ve shown little capability for shame on this board.

No, shame on you for being so incredibly ignorant of the topic, but so confident in your position. Shame on you for repeating hyperbolic nonsense that undermines democratic processes. So a nominee who isn’t a Democrat would be Lynched? Neil Gorsuch was nominated by Trump and confirmed by the senate without this drama. Why is that?

Shame on you for being so petty and filled with self-loathing that you keep repeating again and again things that you know are not true. This is not a trial, it is a job interview. Kavanaugh is not being lynched, he is being scrutinized before being confirmed to a life-time appointment to the US Supreme Court.

But mostly, shame on you for being so useless, for never providing anything here other than your impotent male rage.

This statement seems strange to me. I’m more worried about my daughter actually being a victim of sexual assault than I am about my son getting accused without supporting evidence. Since, you know, one happens almost zero times, and the other happens to women every single day.

He’s just repeating something that Donald Trump Jr. said two days ago. Literally, everything **Quartz **says can be traced back almost verbatim to a conservative talking point from earlier in the week.

Yeah, I know. It was just as stupid when Don Jr. said it :slight_smile:

Quartz is all about “equal rights”, hence his “equal” concern about men being falsely accused of sexual assault as women being the victim of it. He’s just more vocal about the former because of what a pervasive, unspoken problem it is in today’s environment. #HimAccused

Who needs spambots when you have people willing to uncritically repeat your talking points without being asked or paid to?

Stranger

The answer is “Yes”. It’s not an either/or.

I don’t know if he’s a troll or dumb or both, but he sure doesn’t like women much.

OK; Sorry. I was just reacting to a few of your posts in this thread. And I see you’re not American.

In America we’re so partisan now that that often determines how we react to matters that shouldn’t be political. :frowning:

BUT, have you actually watched YouTubes of Ford’s and Kavanaugh’s performances before the Senate committee? Have you followed much of the lies and hypocrisies coming from the Republicans?

I didn’t think so. :stuck_out_tongue: Do this homework; then come back and tell us what you think of this nomination.

:confused: For a leftie foreigner you’ve certainly bought into right-wing propaganda. What are the main sources for your news about the U.S.A.?

I’m surprised that Quartz has yet to rise to the defense of Zachary, who even though he is an imaginary figure in your scenario, was clearly railroaded by that lying bitch.