Better Conservatives? Where?! (A response to Coffeecat)

It’s possible to be a good Conservative.

Mainstream Republicans are not Conservative.

Mainstream Republicans are either Reactionary or so far gone with ignorant tribalism they don’t have a cogent political ideology. (Or, perhaps better: The cogent ideology they do have is cultural, not really political.)

It breaks down like this: A Conservative is someone who wants measured change, because they think that the current setup is, on the whole, fairly workable, and needs to be patched and improved, not scrapped. They also aren’t teleological, in that they don’t think there’s an end-point to history (pacem Fukuyama) the way Marxists do: A Conservative is different from a Fabian in that the Fabian is actively working towards Socialism, which they believe to be the end of history in political and historical terms, the point all history is driving towards as per the warmed-over Hegel Marx was enamored of.

A Reactionary wants to go back to some past state, undoing progress made and recreating some imagined utopia before Those People got their filthy hands on it and perverted the Eden we once had.

A Progressive wants to redo large sections of society but leave the roots untouched. They want faster change, but don’t want to dynamite the whole thing.

The GOP has been a Reactionary party ever since it absorbed the people who wanted to turn back the clock on Civil Rights. It’s drifted a bit further in that direction since then, but, more importantly, it’s become a tribal affiliation for what’s often called the Moral Majority, the Purity Cult Christians who think the biggest parts of Jesus’ message were obedience to sexual laws and keeping the household under control of the patriarch. These people see the modern state of sexual laws post-Griswold (yes, Griswold: the decisions you’ve heard of (Roe v Wade, Lawrence, Obergefell) all rely on Griswold v Connecticut) and post-coverture and see a society which is utterly, irredeemably broken, and which must be destroyed root and branch before it is ritually pure again. These people are called single-issue voters, that issue being abortion and/or marriage equality, but it goes deeper than that: Even if the Democrats went 180° on abortion but kept their opposition to school prayer, marital rape, and everything else which separates us from The Handmaid’s Tale, they’d still see the Democrats as pure evil.

The other part of the Red Tribe the Republicans represent is Gun Nation, the people who see guns as part of a larger way of life including the Right To Revolt and, therefore, see any attempt at gun control to be equivalent to taking away their ability to control the government. In a way, they’re right: They’re a minority, and in any system which even pretends to represent groups fairly, they wouldn’t have much control over Federal affairs. But their guns don’t give them the control they currently have: Gerrymandering does that, along with their alliance with the Moral Majority.

So, who speaks for the Conservatives? Most of the Democratic Party, which is also the party a lot of the Progressives fell in line with, which is part of the reason Hillary vs Bernie got so heated, even though Sanders was never so Progressive as he was painted. The other part is simple sexism, which, no, wasn’t entirely due to the Russians, although they likely had a hand in it.

You know who else said that all Republicans are evil? Donald Trump. He said that he could shoot someone in the face on live TV, and not lose one single voter. In other words, every single one of his supporters is sufficiently morally bankrupt that they don’t care about literal murder.

I don’t care to look for any “good ones” at this point, and they aren’t what used to b conservative anyway. They are racists, sexists, fascists, Nazis, dominionists, and are so fucking “tribal” that winning really is everything - no matter what the cost to anyone.

And the so called “reasonable” ones, the “smart” ones, look the other way and try to justify it. Letting it all go to shit so long as they get their single issue (whichever one that may be).
Oh yeah. They act like animals, they say all sorts of nasty bullshit (not PC) and then cry like bitches if they feel “disrespected” or not fawned over.
Trump was their boy, and he personifies everything about them, with his buddies Gorka, Bannon, Flynn, Sessions, Moore, etc etc etc.
And now, even treason is acceptable to them, as long as their side “wins”. To hell with every last stinking one of them.

Oh, fucking please. Now we’re Nazis, picking on Jews? Oh bullshit. GTFO.

But Benghazi! But her emails! But Vince Foster! But Pizzagate! Etc etc etc. Uh huh.

They wouldn’t anyway, so that is a weak ass excuse from whiney bitch snowflakes. Let them get the same respect they give -NONE AT ALL. Fuck 'em.

And half the country did NOT vote for the fat orange cum stain anyway. Not even WITH Russian interference and gerrymandering.

Just wanted to quote the bits of this post I found important and hope people read.

But aren’t the senators/presidential staff white-anting Trump because they think he’s hopeless? What about them? Not all of the republicans seem to be cut from exactly the same cloth.

Not everybody goes online. It’s easy to get a distorted view about any issue/special interest from online groups and forums. For every person on the puppy dog board raving about their new poodle, there are many who are down the beach running about with their dog.

How can you possibly say that there aren’t rational, honest people sitting in their loungerooms, or working in their deli or wherever who vote/d republican? You can certainly throw the book at the shitheads online and on tv from the rubbish they talk, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that EVERYONE is like that.

EDIT: what about that McCain bloke? He seemed a pretty decent enough type, wasn’t he?

What about giving us the names of decent Republican leaders that voted for and support Trump?

Come on, man. Learn how to take a compliment!

and enable him.

and cover for him

and make excuses for him

and go to Russia en masse to meet with their REAL master.

and let him trash agreements, treaties, and alliances willy-nilly

These fuckers could stop him, but they WON’T.

How on earth would I know?

All I’m saying is that broad, sweeping, hyperbolic statements rather than focussing on specific issues and specific shitheads sound just as unreasonable as the likes of Starving Artist with his “democrats ruined my life by allowing time to run since the 1950s” bleatings.

EDIT: Didn’t the “rank and file” get Trump to let the Mexican children out of the cages and dial back that fiasco?

You are the one making the claim.

Which prominent Trump-supporting rank and file are responsible for this?

If the Trump supporters in Congress that are vile are in the minority, then it should be fucking easy to point out the ones that aren’t.
Right?

:confused: Jews were persecuted. Changing ‘Republicans’ to ‘Nazis’ would make far more sense.

:confused: Is English your first language? Start by Googling ‘zero’ and ‘evidence.’ Do you think ‘reasonable doubt of guilt’ and ‘zero evidence’ are synonymous?

What would it take for you to consider it ‘evidence’? The saliva-stained shirt Dr. Ford carefully preserved from 36 years ago?

Self-awareness isn’t one of your strengths, is it?

Not all Nazis were evil. George Will and the Bush family have remained members of the GOP despite denouncing Trump and the current ilk. What’s your point?

Oh. To answer your question, adaher is OK. But yes, Bricker is a shit.

Quartz is a Village Idiot. He pretends at being moderate even as he poisons the well by making tendentious statement, whinges about how unfair everyone is to him even as he espouses bigotry and misogyny, and generally dissembles on a wide array of topics. Arguing with him is like wrestling a pig; you just get shit all over you while the pig squeals in eardrum-piercing tones.

Stranger

If what the OP is saying is true we are headed for Civil War II. Do you think we are in the lead up to factional warfare?

What the fuck are you blathering about?

Your esteemed leader certainly seems to think so.

Lead up? Did you miss the Congressional baseball shooting? Or Antifa?

The other day a poster here suggested using the military to put certain people in re-education camps.

If you could read you wouldn’t have felt the need to ask such a stupid question.