The bible as a book is fine, if primitive and poorly written. But trying to justify ignorant, superstitious nonsense as profound wisdom on behalf on the writers, is a little much.
The section in question is a magic spell, it has no depth. It shows us what the world and the men wrote it were like, but beyond that, meh.
Nope. God is against humans causing abortions.
Yahweh aborts- causes to miscarry- something like half of all embryos.
If anything this supports the idea of personhood in the womb- the interloping individual is expelled, not just killed.
However, your posts in this thread amount to nothing more than threadshitting, so knock it off.
As Czarcasm noted, we have an entire forum devoted to posters who want nothing more than to complain. Stick to that forum rather than disrupting threads in other fora.
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Perhaps, perhaps not. But it should be pointed out that all of cmkeller’s points date back to Talmudic times. Even then, you could not really argue that they were concerned over modern-day morality and egalitarian sensibilities. I don’t think people in Talmudic times would have felt the need to “spit shine a turd.”
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Just a note: I have plenty to say on this topic. And I intend to stay on the topic. However, I am caught in middle time between two social engagements. And I have no PC at home, so it will have to wait until tomorrow morning.
Lobohan:
No, but it’s for substantive analysis, not just saying, “The Bible was written by primitives, why bother trying to imply that they had half a brain.”
You don’t think it’s worthy of discussion, you can butt out of a thread that’s bothering to discuss it.
My “spin” is grounded in traditional Jewish sources, who actually cared about (and continue to care about) what it says, and what it reveals about the expectations the author had of those who observe its teachings.
My recollection may be faulty, but I think only the altar of incense was actually inside the tabernacle. Animals were sacrificed on the altar outside the doors. Hopefully someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
If so, it’s still a floor, where people have been walking and stuff. I wouldn’t drink the dust-water until it’s been boiled. (Not that they knew anything about that, then.)
And when his people kill with Yahweh/Jehovah’s good blessings? This biblical god’s favorites are instructed by him many times to do the killings. Many laws that were broken also carried the death penalty, even for quite petty offenses. So while Yahweh/Jehovah did his share of the killing, so did his people, and often.
Sure, under written direction from Yahweh, acting as his agents.
Which has nothing to do with the prohibition on humans murdering other humans.
Well, sure. Except that my own filter is that I think lots of things happened in old books that are scientifically possible, even if their passed down meaning is supernatural. Especially “miracles”. I think it’s fairly easy, knowing human nature, to construct an explanation for Priests setting themselves up as wielding (or channeling) power by mixing some Daucus carota seeds in with the dust off the floor. Or whatever abortifacient herbs they grew in that part of the world.
As I said to start my post, I’m not a Biblical scholar in the slightest. I don’t view the Bible through Talmud, or through Roman Catholic or any other Christian lens. I view this story through the lens of a modern day herbalist and Priestess, and know that I’d have a good idea how to run this scam, if I were asked to prove adultery, no divine intervention necessary.
Fine, but do you have a concoction that only works on unfaithful women?
BrainGlutton:
Maybe there’s an herb that grows red leaves in the shape of the letter “A”.
Seems to me it’s either bullshit or the curse worked. Sure smells like bullshit though. However could anything make any Christians conclude the same about Christianity itself?
That’s all well and good.
I still think it’s better to note the barbarism than to ignore it.
If there were only atheists discussing the text then we can get past the barbarism. If however there are Christians among us, it is worth pointing out that there is a problem if the best their absolute moral compass can do is give them them morals relative to the times and a crap shoot on whether or not they get sick after drinking dirty water.
Then quit calling it a “bible study” and call it “weekly shit on Christians thread.”
And Jews, Skammer. We believe in (that part of) the Bible too.
Because we are studying the Bible, it’s just verses that Christians tend to ignore. If the very words of the Bible end up shitting on Christians (and Jews) it’s not the fault of secularists. You really don’t have to believe any of it ever happened and you don’t have to agree with it even if it did.
You’re not studying the Bible, you think you’re being clever. Fortunately even most of the atheists in this thread recognize that you’re trolling.
How can posting verses from the Bible be trolling? Again you are free to abjure any and all of them. If you won’t then that says something and I think it relates to a kind of ignorance.