It seems the Christian sect of your president planned even when the butchering of Iraqis was still in preparation, to invade the country with their “Jesus Saves” talks.
They want to “erradicate Islam” which their leader Graham describes as satanic , evil and whatever vile description comes in his mind.
Well, I would like to be on the front seat when those fanatics come in towns and villages where the US miliatry has butchered women, children, men, babies, unborn babies, and then spread “The Word”. Which implies they are going to claim that all those victims of the US greed have gone straight to hell, that their wounded and mutilated surviving relatives are going straight to hell if they eventually die because of the greedy USA and that all the survivors only can expect hell… If they don’t drop Islam and embrace the “Jesus saves” doctrine. The same doctrine of the president of the USA who claims he is “guided” and “inspired” by God for " cleaning the world of evil" = he was inspired by God to butcher the Iraqi Muslims.
How do you think those Bible waving fanatics are going to be received? My guess, informed about the religious feavor of especially Shi’ a Muslims, but Sunny Muslims can get a bit hot tempered too, they aren’t going to survive the first sermon “Jesus saves” and you are all doomed.
Franklin Graham (not his dad, Billy) is a certifiable crank. He is quite xenophobic and very hostile to any religious belief not his own. I have no doubt that if he and his embark on a crusade to convert Iraq, he will be thoroughly rebuffed.
That said, your gross exaggerations of the deliberate brutality of the U.S. troops and the “butchering” of the Iraqi people actually reminds me very much of the sort of hyperbole–extending into the realm of sheer delusion–that Franklin Graham enjoys spewing.
Although, with Telemark, I see no argument to debate, here.
I’m sorry, but if you don’t see a debate in vicious proselytising techniques by lunatics, then I can’t help that.
Mangetout,
I’m knew on this forum so I don’t know none of you. But from your answer I can deduct that you must be the kind of poster who likes to twist and turn posts he doesn’t like into something absolutely meaningless. Probably because you don’t have anything to say or don’t know any answer. Et comme vous avez l’habitude the manger tout comme vou disiez vous-même… Cette attitude n’est pas tellement surprenante.
tomndebb,
If they were deliberately or not, which is in many cases debatable and I can give you quotes of US soldiers if you like, the USA butchered thousands of Iraqis and people are still dying daily overthere because of the invasion of their country by the USA. If you like that truth or not, it doesn’t go away.
As for the graham Bible Wavers: like I said above, if you don’t find agressive unwanted proselytizing debatable, then I don’t expect answers to my question what your opinion about this is.
Ah, I see that I made some grammar errors in my French and mixec an English word in it … Well that can happen in no matter which language I use. I’m dyslexic. I know that can be a bit ennoying when reading my posts.
And since English is a language I didn’t study, feel free to point out my mistakes. That is very much appreciated.
no, it was quite meaningless to begin with, thanks.
I don’t speak much French, but no, it isn’t surprising that I can’t digest stuff like this; how about a linky or two for people who haven’t the slightest idea what you’re ranting about?
I’m talking about the intention of fundamentalistic Christians to invade a Muslim nation with their proselytizing tactics under the cloack of “humanitarian aid”.
Do you know there are universities in the USA where such people follow courses how to deveive, lie, win trust, even act like a Muslim and pray like a Muslim, in order to mislead those who become their friends? And some of those groups don’t even want to convert. They want like one of them formulated it in an interview: “put the seed of doubt in the soul of the Muslim, because making someone doubt about his religion is the worst thing you can do to him”.
I don’t know if there are Christians among you, but if yes: Do you find that and the plans of the Franklin groups to go shaking a shaked population even more, a reflection of the teaching of jesus?
For the non Christians: Do you find it as humans acceptable what those people plan to do under the cloack of “humanitarian aid”?
**can we get a citation for this assertion please - I’m certainly not going to shout in support of the intellectual honesty of extreme fundamentalists, but I’d like to see where you got these facts from.
I am a postgraduate Catholic? Are you a postgraduate Muslim?
Anyway, no matter.
I do wickedly enjoy reading ‘bashings’ of Christians, specially the Bush kinds. And also Muslims, and Buddhists, and other religionists.
I accept everything that’s good in religion, like helping widows and orphans and working for peace and non-violence, keeping oneself neat and orderly in life and in society, and being polite and courteous and well-behaved generally. But please, no obscurantism and fanacticism, and of course suicide bomging in the name of God or Allah, and no self-immolation.
(All you guys who want to burn yourselves to deliver a message, please sweep the streets and get rid of garbage. Come wash my car, I will believe in your message.)
And I must confess that I fear I do annoy people here with my often impertinent intrusions, with reminders that in religion we are dealing in a world of make believe.
I am sure you are going to give us or me more of bashing of all kinds of things which you think not so right in this world. Yes, you’ve got fire.
Everyone knows that the oldest Graham, his first name escapes me, “resqued” president Bush from his alcoholism. We call that type of Christianity “protestant”. In the USA there are thousands of Christian or Christian-related sects in an incredible variation and they still pop up like mushrooms. So what name exactly you give them doesn’t matter. They are protestant in one or an other variation.
Mangetout,
Well, it has been some time since I read that article in a USA newspaper, but i’ll see if I can trace it online… Maybe I have it bookmarked. But then is the question: where…
Aldebaran.
Wow. So because one Protestant is accused of curing alcoholism and another Protestant is accused of wanting to convert Muslims to Christianity, therefore all Protestants are wrong and evil? That is the equivalent of saying that all Muslims are wrong and evil because some Muslims choose to suicide bomb Israel.
At any rate, there is a possible non-evil interpretation. In Saddam’s Iraq, conversion to Christianity was punishable by death (cite) It is possible that some Christian religious leader somewhere was rejoicing over the fact that Muslims in Iraq can now convert without fear of death. No scariness, no xenophobia, just someone rejoicing in bringing freedom of religion to Iraq.
