Well, off the top of my head I remember him quoting the Pentateuch, many of the Prophets, and the Psalms.
Resuming the hijackery… No, I’m not saying that it made an entire army drown. That’s pretty ridiculous. It was just a harmless comment. Is there such thing as a harmless comment on the SDMB?
(psssst He asked for the version, not the books. From which copy/copies of the Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek texts did Jesus quote?)
Ok, I’ll throw my opinion out here just for a handy reference. I’m not going to bother with Biblical accuracy and validity for arguments, as that seems fairly obvious at this point.
As to the OP, fessie, I couldn’t agree more. Different reasoning behind it though. The reason Bible threads make my blood boil is because they are rarely threads that have any particular interest in the Bible or Christianity. I’d guess 90% of them fall into the category of “The Bible and Christianity is bullshit, prove me wrong.” Then, every Christian on the boards, myself included, responds as though Jesus’ hair was set aflame to whatever bigoted anti-Christian viewpoint is being expressed, usually simply an opportunity to show bare assed ignorance of Christian beliefs in order to trample them.
Take this thread we’re in for example, I think everyone’s pretty much managed to show, and are attempting to explain that there is some validity to our religion. That’s beside the point. I, personally, could give a shit what relevence someone else finds in the Bible at this moment. The reality is that it’s one of the most prevalent religions in the world, and in english speaking countries, those most likely to be contributing to this board, probably the most prevalent. So, you start a conversation about religion in general or about God, and no one expects Christians to show?
I once spent four posts going back and forth with a guy in MPSIMS about what God you believe in, where he basically kept coming back and saying, “Hmmm, doesn’t sound too realistic…” Right, but the guy who worships the lizard god he made up in math class is ok?
Show me a religion claiming any sort of concrete validity of any kind and I’d call bullshit, because it’s non-falsifiable. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, Zoroastrians, and agnostics all pick up a shovel and draw from the same steaming pile of dogmatic bullshit. So what’s the fucking problem with the Bible?
Oh, thanks. I guess I should have been paying closer attention. As to what version Jesus used, I have no idea.
Well, I was just going to let that prior ‘whoosh’ go by, but I see tomndebb filled you in.
So, getting back to the point. If you don’t know what Hebrew writings Jesus was quoting, how do you know he quoted them correctly? Or quoted the correct ones?
Did Jesus quote the original Hebrew language directly, or did he quote an Aramaic translation? Or was it an Aramaic translation of the Greek translation of the original Hebrew? Or perhaps he quoted a Greek translation of Hebrew, or maybe a Greek translation of the Aramaic translation of the original Hebrew?
Even if you knew the answer to the above, how do you know that the English version of “scripture” you are reading today correctly translates what Jesus quoted in the first place?
You see, your previous blanket statement that since Jesus quoted scripture, that is good enough for you, doesn’t make any sense.
You have no idea what Jesus really quoted!
FTR, most scholars accept that Jesus probably read and heard Hebrew scripture most of the time, from one of a small handful of Hebrew bibles circulating. He also probably occasionally heard Greek. Of that, he most likely translated and paraphred into Aramaic.
We can assume, of course, that his translation was accurate. 
heh, yeah I suppose we can.
Well, I guess what gets my knickers in a bunch, and what happens all too frequently, is that it basically comes down to “the Bible say so, so it’s true”. Many Christians believe they have “concrete validity”, and that is the Bible. They just can’t understand why others don’t feel the way they do. I mean, hey, it’s right there in the Bible, can’t you read?
Sheesh.
Yeah, that bugs me too. Sometimes people who really study the Bible and it’s history can have some great input, and worthy of the SDMB, but then a handfull of goofs will pop in and start quoting scripture as evidence, which is a foolish practice, even in witnessing. In truth, no one would want to be ignorant of the concepts and basic practices of a major religion, which is why I find cross religious postings to be so interesting. But, everyone must realise when they enter into the discussion that they are on equal terms of validity. 
Well, if you have any evidence that the translation I’m reading (I usually read either the NIV or the NLT) is substantively different than the translations available during Jesus’ day, I’d certainly be willing to listen.
But as far as my blanket statement that Jesus quoted scripture, that was in response to fessie’s infuriation with people quoting the bible in religious threads (from the OP: “Inevitably people start throwing Biblical quotes into the mix and it drives me batshit.”). And if Jesus was willing to use this book, in making his points, why shouldn’t the followers of Jesus do the same?
So what bothers you (and fessie too?) is not that people quote the Bible, but how they quote it?
That’s good, lots of people aren’t. Your versions of the Bible can differ significantly with the one or many that Jesus would have read or been familiar with. There are entire books not found in yours. Of course, there’s no way of determining what of the Hebrew literature Jesus was familiar with in his day, so any judgement of that would be based on the idea that He knew all of it that was in existance. As far as other differences go, there are many words from the original Hebrew that are unknown today, and rely on a translators perception of the text.
It’s not, but Jesus was not known or respected for His ability to quote scripture. It was His own understanding of the nature of God expressed in His many attempts to enlighten(Notice I did not say convert) others. It was His personal relationship with God and the way that He expressed Himself to others that made Him known and respected, and make the story of His life so much more rewarding for those who listen.
As a fellow follower, I can tell you that this is what I strive for when I talk about my religion and beliefs with others. If possible, outside of a direct debate of the Bible, I will never quote scripture, but will always give my understanding of my life with God.
Well, you’re reading English, and I’m pretty darn sure that is completely different than Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek.
The point is, as Copaesthetic pointed out, that it is impossible to know exactly what Jesus was quoting. And then we have the second hand (or third, or fourth, etc.) account of what Jesus actually said, and then we have the English translation of that second-hand account.
Can I prove that Jesus didn’t say what the NIV says he says? Of course not. But then again, can you prove that what the NIV says is true? No, you can’t.
And that, my friend, is the whole point, isn’t it?
No, what bothers me is that you (or others) quote it and automatically expect us to believe it. Why should we? If I quote the Koran as you (or others) quote the Bible, should I expect you to believe it? Why not? Isn’t that what you’re doing?
I guess we have completely different concepts of what constitutes “substantive differences.”
Good point
The scripture was one of many tools that Jesus used to get his message across. We should use it in the same way: as one of many tools to get his message across.
No, that’s not what I’m doing, and I’ve never done that. I generally don’t get involve with religious discussions here, because it usually ends up being the same old people making the same old points and consistently talking past each other. It’s a waste of time, IMO. Of course, occassionally I can’t resist jumping in.
Ok, ok, so you didn’t appreciate my attempt at a little humor (I don’t use smilies).
So how about this: have you ever read the Koran or the Book of Mormon? Whether you have or you haven’t, would you accept these holy books as truth if someone quoted from them? Why or why not?
Oh, my fault. Sorry for being so obtuse on this thread. :smack:
I’ve read the Koran, but never the Book of Mormon.
And I guess this is an example of us arguing past each other. I wouldn’t accept these holy books as truth if someone quoted from them, and I don’t expect non-Christians to accept something from the Bible as truth. I realize that some people quote it that way, but I don’t. This is what I meant earlier when I asked if the problem wasn’t that people quoted the Bible, but the way in which they quote it. You said that’s not the problem, but that’s the way it sounds to me.