Bicycle question: Street or sidewalk?

Its been over a decade since I owned a bike or rode one. When I was a kid, I used to ride it on the sidewalks if there was no bike lane

However, since then, I’ve seen, and all of these examples are professional-looking bikers in their spandex shorts and aerodynamic helmets, I’ve noticed that some bikes, when there are no bike lanes, use the middle of the street like a car. They’ve even used the left turn lane!

Are non-motor powered bikes allowed to do that? I always thought they counted as pedestrians and should stick to the sidewalk. If they are, what about scooters and roller blades, aren’t those essentially the same thing? I kind of feel that bikes should stick to the sidewalks and leave the streets to the motorized vehicles that can actually hit 40mph without breaking a sweat

I live in CA, by the way

Hmmm…I’ve always heard that a bike is like any other vehicle on the road and should be treated as such and follow the same traffic rules.

Yeah, I remember learning in school that after the age of I think 13, or 14, you had to ride in the street, and couldn’t ride on the sidewalk because that was dangerous to pedestrians.

Does that mean they could go on the freeways too?

Here in Georgia, I believe, a bike is considered a vehicle and riders are supposed to be on the road and follow all appropriate laws (4 way stops, traffic lights, correct turn lanes, etc). There aren’t a lot of bike lanes in Atlanta, so I always felt safer on the sidewalk. Of course, even where there are bike lanes, that doesn’t mean drivers pay attention.

I don’t want to say a rider deserves getting hit, but if a rider isn’t paying attention to the traffic around him, well…stupid is, as stupid rides. But, that doesn’t mean the car driver is at fault.

From the California Vehicle Code:

So, bicycles in California are definitely allowed to use the road, to use left turn lanes, etc., etc.

From the California Driver Handbook:

As for this:

Fuck that shit.

I don’t want to have to dodge cyclists whenever i want to walk on a sidewalk. Allowing bikes to use the road, just like any other vehicle, is perfectly logical and reasonable.

Riding a bicycle on public roads is legal in all US states, and most countries in the world (if not all - I’ve never heard of any exceptions.)

Many (perhaps most) jurisdictions in the US actually ban bicycles from sidewalks. This is also common in Europe. Children are usually exempt from this rule, however.

Of course, that doesn’t mean bicycles are allowed on all roads. If a particular road does not permit bicycles, there will be a “no bicycles” sign. Most freeways prohibit bicycles, but not all. About 25% of California’s freeways allow bicycles.

And as for left-turn lanes, well, how else do you expect a vehicle to turn left?

My reasoning is that its much more dangerous for a bike to dodge a car than a pedestrian to dodge a bike. A car outweighs a man on a bike by at least 10 times but a bike and rider are maybe less than twice that of a pedestrian. Besides, where I live, there are a lot more cars than there are pedestrians. It would make more sense for the biker to use the less heavily traveled path than the street

Crosswalk?

But a bike should not have to dodge a car in the first place. Car drivers should know that the law permits bicycles to be on the road, and should accord bicycles the proper respect and courtesy. Also, in the vast majority of cases, roads are considerably wider than sidewalks, allowing plenty of room for bikes and cars to share the road. There are plenty of sidewalks in my neighborhood narrow enough to make pedestrian/bike sharing completely impracticable, and downright dangerous.

Luckily, the people who make the laws about this sort of stuff have recognized, for quite a long time now, that your “reasoning” is spurious. Here’s an excerpt from a 1995 article in Environs - Environmental Law and Policy Journal. The article is called “Bicycles and the Law: The Case of California.”

Note particularly the bolded section, on the issue of safety.

I live in CA and ride a lot. As the vehicle codes cited show, bicyclists are required to use the same roads as cars and obey the same traffic laws (I do). You are free to feel that I should ride on the sidewalk however please do not act upon those feelings when you’re driving around since no matter who is right or wrong, the cyclist will be the one who is severely injured or killed.

Since the speed limit on the vast majority of streets (aside from freeways) is 25mph or 35mph, whether you can drive 40mph or 400mph shouldn’t make a difference. I’m not Lance Armstrong and I’m chugging along on my mountain bike but if there’s any kind of busy traffic I am making just as good time as the cars. FWIW I try and stay off the busy thoroughfares, it just feels too dangerous. It is rare that I delay traffic for more than a few seconds and I just have to obey the same laws as any other vehicle which isn’t moving as fast as everyone else (stay to the right, let people pass, etc), and I deserve to be treated in the same way (nobody rams a freight truck out of the way because it’s “going too slow”).

I know of at least one section of honest-to-goodness freeway out here (580 where it approaches the Richmond-San Rafael bridge) which has a dedicated bike lane on the right side of the freeway. No barrier, just a sign (“Caution - Bicycles On Road”) and a white line. Thinking about riding on that gives me the shivers.

IME there would be fewer problems if this were more carefully observed by bicyclists.

Sometimes sidewalks are bona fide bike routes. just before I bridge I bike across (with no sholder) there is a short on road bike lane with an arrow pointing to the sidewalk.

Brian

Here’s a news story about a guy that was arrested for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in New Jersey:

IME most cyclists do exactly that.

Remember, “as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway” refers to what is practicable and safe for the cyclist, not to what happens to be convenient for impatient drivers. There are plenty of times, especially where there are cars parked by the side of the road, where “as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway” is actually smack in the middle of the lane.

In fact, the Vehicle Code very specifically states that cyclists don’t have to ride all the way over to the right in cases where doing so would be unsafe.

Legally, as proven above, bicyclists should ride on the road.

Personally, I do think riding on the sidewalk is better, from a safety standpoint, and only to a certain extent. As mentioned above, it is much better for everyone if a biker hit a pedestrian, as opposed to a car hitting a bike. At even slow speeds, a car could do some serious damage to a bike, and its rider.

I also think it’s the “unwritten rule” for bicyclists to yield to pedestrians. I follow that, and the signs posted on the nearby trails also say the same. Granted, some don’t follow that rule and charge blindly into pedestrian’s paths, but they’re the minority, I think.

In any case - riding on the sidewalk isn’t worth it when the sidewalk is busy. So it’s a judgmental grey area as to whether or not it’s a good idea. In a city like mine, where there is heavy traffic and little foot traffic, it makes much more sense to ride on the sidewalk. This is why I’ve never heard of someone being ticketed for biking on a sidewalk.

Likewise, in Toronto, during mid-day, it would be murder to try to navigate through a sea of pedestrians, and riding on the road is both safer and faster.

In California, the rule is not unwritten at all:

California Department of Transportation

I think you’re in the minority then - most people would expect vehicles to use the left-turn lane, if there is one.

How the hell do cyclists using a freeway use left lane exits? They can’t just merge through the lanes!