Biden v Trump: June 27 debate (Live debate comment here)

Malarkey!

Trump is running wild tonight.

Trump looking a lot like “normal” Trump from his first campaign so far.

Aha! there’s the “accordion” gesture.

Yes, but that’s not different from any other time.

Y’know, I’m starting to formulate a hypothesis that his shambolic style at rallies is strongly influenced by feedback from the audience – makes him start to improv-jam his speech.

I’m out.

I thought CNN was going to do a running fact check but I cannot find it.

Hope they get to some trans-rights questions and the like.

He wanders all over.

Seriously worried that Biden has had a stroke.

Sounds to me as if Biden over-prepared a little and is rushing trying to get out all the stuff he’s ready to say. That and being hoarse… Sigh.

Biden confusing trump and Putin’s names.

I think you nailed it.

I had to turn it off; this was a disaster.

Call him a loser again Joe. He likes it

This is frustrating.

I think you guys talking about demanding cites are missing the point. Kennedy beat Nixon on TV even though Nixon was generally thought to win on the radio and in transcripts. Trump is lying, but he looks vital, about as coherent as he’s ever been, he’s speaking clearly and confidently. Biden’s manner is a complete disaster - he looks frail and confused. It’s not like his words are super sharp and it’s just the presentation. If you were reading a transcript of the debate you’d say neither of them are making a good show of it just from their words.

This is an utter disaster and will give significant support to the idea that Biden is too old / sleepy Joe / all that shit.

NYTimes is fact-checking. Not sure if this is gift link.

Israel is now the topic.

Joe just said Malarkey!
Shit heatin up now!

Agree. This is getting trump elected.

Sigh. I called it way back on June 6: