Biden v Trump: June 27 debate (Live debate comment here)

What is your point? If a cold makes it so an 81-year-old can’t function properly, I question whether he can 1) win and 2) govern effectively.

Being able to speak extemporaneously on live TV != “functioning properly” or “governing effectively”.

Do you want a second Trump term? Because you’re sounding like you want a second Trump term.

MSNBC is showing Biden speaking at a watch party in Atlanta and he is much more on and doesn’t sound weak or addled. I’m wondering what the hell happened? Is it the live crowd and the hand held mic?

I. AM. BAFFLED.

They’ve done such a lousy job of bringing VP Harris to the fore - there is just nobody on deck. It’s indefensible, and I’ve been saying it for two years now. With a President this age, the VP should have been much more front and center.

Watching the DNC is like being a Monday-Morning football coach. I’m always wondering, is it Dunning/Krueger? Or would it really be THAT easy to do better than they are managing to do?

Of course we don’t. That’s why we’re so upset right now.

I’m right there with you, @Kolak_of_Twilo . He’s got a good loud voice with a lot of emotion. He’s dancing to Beyonce. Where was this guy during the debate?

Probably two hundred million eligible people in this country and these two geriatrics are the best this country can apparently do. It’s pathetic.

Right. Biden could have done so, but he just wasn’t up for the challenge.

It’s just a first debate. The Democrats are not helping themselves by not talking about Biden’s substance, which was sometimes good but usually better. Unfortunately, what also came across was Biden looking flustered, sounding unsure, and lacking passion. I don’t blame Biden but his preparers. I don’t think this helped Biden at all. But his performance was not bad enough for one debate to be decisive. Neither did great, and so Biden could have done much better. Not one comment from either candidate was truly cutting or even memorable. But Biden looked more passive.

I agree that this was horrible but only because Biden looked a lot less fiery and more slow to compose his answer than he usually is.

I don’t think he sounded particularly hoarse, nor do I think that Trump won any classic debate points by Gish Galloping. He kept throwing out multiple irrelevant points each the question, but it was the same irrelevant points. That’s partly why I stopped watching halfway: not only because of Biden being painful to watch, but because Trump literally sounded like a broken record. He literally could have been replaced with a tape recorder. As one prominent Xitterer would summarize: BORING!

It could be the hand held mic. Biden does prefer them. He will reach for them over a podium mic. It works better for soft voices.

Then we should be focused on how Biden does better from here on out, not on some fantasy where he steps down in favor of some 35-year-old Liberal Avenger who doesn’t exist.

If that is the case then he has morons running his campaign. FUCK.

Exactly this.

It was not a good night but people saying he’s done are overreacting just a tad.

And now that you mention it a panic flailing response can compound the damage way beyond what would be organic to the bad debate performance.

Man, I bet Biden took a sip of water just before he went on and it went down the wrong pipe. I hate when that happens! It legit messes me up for hours!

I’m going with that, so I can get a good night’s sleep.

It sounds like you think I have more say in what Biden does than I really do. I’m expressing my opinion, which isn’t really much different than what Democratic operatives and talking heads are saying right now too.

True.

Don’t forget next up is trump being sentenced.

Well, look who he was standing next to. That guy probably deliberately had them hold off on changing him before going on, so that Joe would have to deal with the fragrance. I heard tell that Joe looked a lot better at an after-party.