Without the full context of how he came to (mis)attribute the phrase “Rule of Thumb”, I have a hard time understanding why this is supposed to upset me beyond “Biden got a widely repeated factoid wrong”.
What exactly is anyone supposed to be defending?
C’mon, who you gonna believe, Wikipedia or UltraVires, a genuine lawyer?
Three or four years ago a well-known lawyer was apparently unaware of the current laws on marital rape.
Is the op suggesting that domestic violence is a modern phenomenon?
Ahistorical bullshit.
UltraVires, this was your your opinion of pinning a woman down and placing a hand over her mouth to stifle cries to the point where the woman feared for her life due to smothering.
It is absolutely bonkers that you are now suggesting that the past was not more dangerous for women to be on the receiving end of violence at the hands of men.
I never said he was a GOOD lawyer.
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=862652
Seriously, do you actually believe this?
The judge sympathized with the manand said, “I seriously wonder how many men married four, five years, who would have had the strength to walk away without administering a little corporal punishment…”
A battered woman in this country has an almost 50/50 chance of summoning another abuser to her door if she calls the police for help. The police skew very heavily to white, male, conservative.
Wife beating and rape have a lot of similarities and rape is often part of domestic violence.
Yeah, it used to be called, “What did you do to piss him off?” I always recommend Next Time She’ll Be Dead, by Ann Jones; Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft----a guy who used to work with wife beaters and has no time for excuses; Women Who Kill, also by Ann Jones, which details the tropes that still influence people today; and, well, I have lists.
It’s very frustrating when people bring up some old trope like this and they don’t know or care that it’s three or four hundred years old.
That’ll earn you a warning drop. Please don’t insult other posters.
I don’t think the actual gripe here is whether domestic violence is OK or not (it’s not okay,) but rather that Biden is promoting a clearly debunked falsehood. And Snopes also went easy on him.
It’s akin to someone telling an audience that the human brain is an amazing organ (it is indeed,) but then citing the false “we only use 10% of our brains” myth in his speech. Just tell the truth and truth alone.
“A woman, a dog, and a walnut tree: the mire you beat, the better they be.”
That’s an English and Welsh proverb that I’ve seen quoted in regard to King John’s reign in England.
In Fulgham v.Alabama, 1871, the judge refers to the “ancient privilege” of beating wives “with a stick”, “choke her” and other things, which are actually rather mild if you look at cases like Joel Steinberg or Tracey Thurman, whose husband attacked her in front of police----who did nothing----and after she was on a stretcher in an ambulance. Only when the paramedics complain did the cops bestirr themselves.
I think the OP knows what his own gripe is better than you, and he disagrees. It’s not just that Biden said something stupid, it’s dangerous. His support for that ‘danger’ is that domestic violence hasn’t been a problem for 300 years. It’s that ahistorical bullshit that is getting pushback. No one is supporting Biden spreading debunked myths.
Is there greater context? Because I don’t get that from the quote in the OP at all.
There is. His other posts in this thread. Which I quoted and linked to.
My mistake. I misread your post as “It’s not just that Biden said something stupid, it’s dangerous. [Biden’s] support for that ‘danger’ is that domestic violence hasn’t been a problem for 300 years.”
That’s on me; you were clear and I was just distracted or something.
it’s a fair cop. I was going to delete it but it was too late to edit.
Sorry for being a jerk, UltraVires.
This is just more of the same.
He was just getting us all prepared for the increase in domestic abuse that happens on Super Bowl Sunday.
Regards,
Shodan
Fox News? No.
I guess Hammurabi didn’t have jurisdiction in ancient Rome, where one’s lawyer wouldn’t even bother to deny a rape if it was perpetrated against someone of low station.
I realize that has little to do with Biden or 13th century England, I am just feeling nitpicky. Just because someone inscribed some rules of conduct into clay centuries ago does not mean violence has not historically been a major threat. Hell, less than 20 years ago my own family thought it was ok to assault ME for no reason whatsoever. I guess my gripe is that if you are not a woman or gay, you are basically on your own if your number comes up on the Violence Wheel of Fortune.
Which still has little to do with Biden or 13th century England. I guess I’d say that even if Biden’s anecdote is false, the idea that one could get away with all kinds of things long ago rings true to me. I would argue that little has changed. OP, have you ever been a non-religious victim in a Bible-beater environment and witnessed first hand the absolute zero support you get?