Kids should be able to wear a bikini and wash cars if they want to. But for a thirteen year old to be “interesting to look at in a bikini” or a draw for a grown man to pay money to see is…pretty gross.
#2 yes. I was driving through Beautiful Downtown Burbank. So Co-Eds from a UCLA sorority were having a car wash. I determined that my car was so filthy I could drive another block. Actually while they were washing I was on my cell with an old friend.
#3 I don’t have a problem with the girls doing this and don’t see a minimum age.
There are certain biological advantages to teenage girls giving birth. Now obviously, anything can be overdone. But is it quite common for a 13-year-old girl to have been fully sexually mature for a year or more.
Now HAVING an attraction and ACTING on that attraction are two very different things. But breasts and attractive legs are still attractive, regardless if the girl is 13 or 18. (Or 60, for that matter.)
Anybody who claims that it’s gross or wrong to be attracted to a sexually mature 13-year-old is ignorant of basic biology, not to mention stupid and hypocritical.
And if we’re using this as proof of the acceptability of the bikini … remember that in the song, the girl was so embarrassed at being clad only in a bikini that she was afraid to come out and get in the water, and after she did, she was afraid to come OUT of the water.
Pish posh. There’s a biological advantage to raping said fertile 13 year olds too, but that is also gross. You want to go outside the internets and say, “Man, that sexually mature 12 year old sure has a great rack! Of course, I won’t have sex with her. But you people are just ignorant, stupid and hypocritical to say it’s WRONG to WANT to have sex with her!”?
So, you would post photos of women in revealing clothing without any concern for their right to privacy. I believe you have an over-inflated sense of the “importance” of your photography and the “necessity” of preserving everything for posterity. You really think people 150 years from now are going to give a shit about pictures of a bikini car wash? :rolleyes:
Since the State uniform will be a silver jumpsuit, yes. 
Ahh Lucille.
…the difference was that you asked if you could take their photos and they said no. You would have looked quite the dick if you had then bought your camera to bear and started snapping photos. And of course they aren’t treating the events the same. They weren’t at the other events. You were. They were at their own event, and they don’t give a damn what other things you do.
If you want to snap, then just snap. You live in the United States of America, and you are free to take as many photos in public as you like. But as a photographer you have to decide for yourself what responsibility you have in making your subjects comfortable and at ease in front of the camera. I’m a professional photographer that specialises in event photography and I also do editorial work. If you really are shooting news then it isn’t hard to get the photo when you need it. But you weren’t shooting news. As you said: you were shooting “news.” And there are too many people out there shooting “news” who aren’t really shooting news. So don’t get offended if you ask someone if you can take their photo and they say no. You had a 50/50 chance of getting a no anyway. You invited their response. Just get better at asking the question.
Bzzt! Actually, teenage pregnancies are riskier than those of adults 25-35:
Higher risk of pre-eclampsia and nutrients needed for their own still-growing bodies to the detriment of the fetus are pretty clear biological disadvantages. Pregnancies for women who are “younger than 17 or older than 35” are considered high-risk.
Well, it’s already clear that you’re the one who is ignorant of basic biology, but it appears you also don’t understand what hypocrisy means. It’s not just a word to throw around as a random insult, you know.
Also, if a grown, adult male vociferously defends being sexually attracted to 7th-8th grade girls? Yeah, that IS creepy and skeevy as fuck.
At 13? When the pelvis hasn’t finished developing? That sounds like a biological disadvantage.
ETA: Oops, beaten to the punch. 
:shrugs:
Men find sexually mature females attractive to look at. All the clucking and tsk-tsking in the world isn’t going to change that.
Regards,
Shodan
“Revealing clothing”? The ones they wear to a public beach? The ones they deliberately donned to attract people with cars to wash to make money for their charity? Why aren’t they wearing 2 layers of overalls?
What “right to privacy” is there in a public area where the public is encouraged to come, often by flag waving participants near the street waving people in? How private is that?
When I was editing the 150 year history book, I looked for everything I could find to include. Some pictures were of great grandparents of currently living local people, and yes, any event from back then, some which were the equivalent of a car wash, were valuable. So valuable that the local museum has books and walls of them. So yes, people 150 years from now will probably be equally overjoyed to see pix of what we are doing today.
This last summer, a group that called themselves “Pirates in the Harbor” – Parrottheads – was holding a fundraiser in the same parking lot. They were dressed in Jimmy Buffett memorabilia. I asked them if it was OK to take some video, and they happily obliged by dancing around the brat booth.
Some of the car washers were also at other local events (Thresheree) the same year (I recognized them) and had no objection to snapshots. The problem here was one jumpy girl who didn’t understand the concept and automatically thought there must something wrong. I didn’t argue, and they lost the publicity I could have given them.
Local events appear on the front page of the local paper all the time, in full color. Organizations often call up the paper and request coverage. That is the norm; this was an exception.
Hi Gaudere! Long time, no see, how are things?
I’d separate out these two points.
- Lots of 13 year old girls are going to be “interesting to look at in a bikini” from the perspective of an adult man. They just are. They’re young, pretty, and curve in all the right places.
1a) But it’s gross if the adult man is obvious about finding her interesting to look at. Girls that age shouldn’t have to feel weirded out about wearing bikinis because older guys are drooling over them.
- They definitely shouldn’t be used as a draw for grown men to pay money to see them. That’s really, really gross.
Per the link, “At a time when bikini bathing suits were still seen as too risqué to be mainstream, the song prompted a sudden take off in bikini sales and is credited as being one of the earliest contributors to the acceptance of the suit in society. The early 1960s saw a slew of surf movies and other film and television productions that rapidly built on the song’s momentum.”
I can attest that by the early 1960s, bikinis were hardly unusual.
Well, I figured you were born before 1960. But I was thinking that if you were too old to wear one by the time they became popular, you must’ve graduated from Emily Dickinson College (of course!) by maybe 1962 at the latest.
…who gives a shit? So some of them gave you permission to shoot them at one event and then they chose to not give you permission at this event. They are allowed to do that you know.
One jumpy girl? You sure remember this incident really well. Sounds like it really pissed you off. That jumpy girl was entitled to tell you “no.” And it appears that she did. If you don’t want to hear no, then don’t ask. But don’t get all pissed off because you did ask and they gave you an answer you didn’t like.
And if you were the local paper I’m sure you would have gotten the photo. But you weren’t the news. You were the “news.” There is dubious publicity value in coverage given by some random website. Everyone knows the reach and circulation of the local papers: they don’t know if your site is visited by people who can help their organization or by people who like looking at young girls in bikinis. They told you no. Which was their right. Get over it.
And a pretty old one too.
You should’ve said you were an agent, given her your card and asked if she was interested in doing some tasteful calendar modeling. To, you know, put her at ease that you’re not just some perv photographer.
There is a Hooters around the corner from my office and they held some kind of bikini car wash in their lot last year – I don’t know if it was to drive business for the restaurant or to raise funds for some other purpose. I didn’t stop to wash my car - my wife won’t even let me have lunch there.
And my daughter is 8 and not tall enough to wash most cars. I’d prefer she raise money by selling baked goods or mowing lawns or something.