He’s is an honorable elder statesman because that’s the way it’s always worked.
And I’ll bet you detested him when he was in office, too.
Even now I am in the process of creating–okay, faking–a Sarah Palin porn DVD extravaganza in the event such becomes needful during the 2012 primary season, and of course there will be lesbian scenes. I need volunteers to get as many naked pictures of her, Taye Diggs, Dido, and Hilary Clinton as possible.
SA, you seem really uptight. You need a blow job or something.
What would be the point? There are plenty of people around here who do that already. What I do is try to acheive some sort of balance. If I were to jump on the bandwagon every time Fox or some Republican politician lied about something in order to post when a Democrat does it, we’d have a situation where all the liberals here are dumping on the Pubs, I’m dumping on the Pubs, and also occasionally on the Dems. So we go from a ratio of about 98:2 of posts around here in favor of the Democrats to a ratio of 99:1 in favor of the Democrats. So how does that help me fight ignorance? I’m not here to say Republicans are always innocent of wrongdoing, I’m simply trying to counterbalance the overwhelming bias here against Republicans by arguing the other side.
I think even people who loathe him have to admit he’s lived up to that role a couple of times: North Korea and his natural disaster fundraising. Anyway that happens with all ex-presidents. I agree it’s unfortunate. If you think that’s bad, wait 'til he dies. No matter how badly a president does, after he dies the press comes together and decides it’s time to overlook all his flaws and mistakes and put everything else in a positive light because this country would never elect a fuckup as president and the’yre all public servants, God Bless America!
PM me.
I keed, I keed.
I’m surprised that someone didn’t post about the recent prostitute bust in Chappaqua (the Clintons’ town). The local Fox station ran the story. There are likely multiple prostitution busts daily (or at least weekly) and the only coverage they normally get is in the local papers one can get in the ATM vestibule. One can only guess why the Fox NY affiliate was running this story (I think they were the first to report - I know WCBS radio also reported it later). Couldn’t be that they might miss the opportunity to put ‘Clinton’ and ‘prostitute’ in the same headline, could it?
Hey Starving Artist, how do you feel about Ronald Reagan’s numerous lies? Or do you simply whitewash them away?
You’re new here, aren’t you. 
You are most certainly right about that. Even I, believe it or not, have found myself admiring him for what he’s accomplished in those regards. I even found my huge distaste for him beginning to subside somewhat. But it seems like every time that happens he shows up somewhere and reveals his true colors once again and then I’m right back where I started.
As far as when he dies, I think I’ll just unplug everything and read books for the next two months.
“If he could cheat on his wife, what’s to stop him from cheating on his country” was a ridiculous line 14 years ago. It’s only gotten worse with age.
If the truth were known I imagine there’d be many more opportunities to do exactly that, and without the need to do it subliminally.
And you rightly should detest him for lying to the American people, starting a war in Iraq that has killed about a hundred thousand people, and driving the US and first world economies into the gutter.
Oh, wait, wrong president. Sorry, my mistake.
Sorry, but I’m talking about lying to members of Congress, foreign leaders and diplomats, his own staff and…wait for it…the voters, in order to acheive his own ends. The meme that “If he could cheat on his wife, what’s to stop him from cheating on his country” was the point of objections to his lying to begin with that was ridiculous 14 years ago and has only gotten worse with age.
“When Bush lied, people died.” is as stupid a slogan now as it was when he was in office. Get a new bumper sticker.
Having participated in rought 2,000 of them, I don’t really want to get into yet another argument about the Iraq war, but major intelligence services the world over thought Hussein had WMD; Hussein himself by his own admission did everything he could to foster that impression, and it has never been proved that Bush lied to get us into the war.
And that’s all I’m going to say about it in this thread.
Now, having said that, this thead is about Clinton lies and the media. What Bush or Reagan or anyone else did has no bearing on what is being discussed here. If you want to gripe about Bush, go start another thead.
I tend to assume that politicians - all politicians - lie about a lot of things. So what I filter for is not honesty but whether what they’re lying about makes a difference to me. When I initially voted for Clinton I already assumed that the rumors about him sleeping around were true and when I heard the “I didn’t inhale” comment I assumed (like absolutely everyone) that it was him trying to be cute about his college-days drug use. What I cared about was his economic policies, because that’s what affected me personally. And he largely seemed to deliver on that.
This is not to say that I’m okay with his philandering - indeed, I have expressed the view on many occasions that I hoped Hillary was giving him a nightly boot in the ballsack for it - but I considered it a matter for his family.
His post-presidential career has been a mixed success - he’s managed to do some fundraising and other charity work, but he also did and said a lot of stupid things during Hillary’s campaign (becoming one of its biggest liabilities). I’m pleased he can still do something useful (i.e. the North Korean journalist episode) but his personal life is even less relevant these days. Nor do I care what either of the Bushes or Jimmy Carter are up to, except as celebrity trivia.
If that’s your criteria, then I’m sure that this outrage about lying politicians will apply to all of them, right, SA? How about Newt Gingrich, who was having an extramarital affair at the same time he was giving Bill such a hard time about Monica Lewinsky? The same Newt who, according to an earlier mistress, preferred oral sex so that he could claim that he “wasn’t sleeping with her” with her if asked? I mean, if we’re doing decades-old recreational outrage, let’s do it properly…
You pretty much win the thread with this comment, btw. It’s exactly why I post the way I do.
I’m afraid you don’t understand. It isn’t that Clinton cheated on his wife nearly so much as it is that he looked us directly in the eye and lied about it. And it isn’t so much that he looked us in the eye and lied about it as it is his history of lying with almost every word out of his mouth since he first rose to national prominence. (Which is not to say he wasn’t a lying scuzzbug before then too.)
What you’re suggesting is that we give Clinton a pass for going ninety miles an hour over the speed limit because Gingrich once went five miles an hour over the speed limit.
Where was Rush broadcasting all this from? Some boat in international waters? 'Cause I was listening to him on WABC the flagship station of the American Broadcasting Company. The most powerful radio station on the east coast, owned and operated by one of the three major networks, somehow isn’t a part of the media?
OK, so surely you’ve got impressive examples of this, right?
Guess not.
I’m still pretty sure he was lying about what went on at the Mena airport.
He really was helping the Reagan administration smuggle cocaine into the US to secretly and illegally aid the Contras.
CMC fnord!
I guess Clinton is better at the game than Spitzer.