Bill would bar AZ schools from teaching anything "anti-Western"

[Khampelf]

Russel Pearce makes Barry Goldwater look like Madelyn Murry O’Hare. He’d overturn Not only Brown v. Board of Education, but the Emancipation Proclamation, if he could.

He goes down the border to encourage the minutemen a lot.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@BrainGlutton

Indeed.

I wonder if this Pearce has ever read him?

Dunno about that, but I bet he’s seen a Pauly Shore movie.

There’s a general sentiment here that racism is only discrimination against blacks - which is a huge no-no, but only, I think, because there aren’t any here

…other than the Suns’ starting frontcourt.

Actually, I just looked it up and you really don’t have any black people. 3.8% of the population as of 2006!

[BrainGlutton]

@Cisco

“Illegal immigrant” here, I think, is used in much the same way “Jew” was used in 1930s Germany, i.e., for anyone or anything that you don’t like for any reason. It’s a terribly common scapegoat term.

:eek: You gotta be fuckin’ kiddin’ me!

[ArizonaTeach]

@Cisco

We’re one of the most racist states in the nation when it comes to those god damned old mex-ee-cans. Seriously. There’s a general sentiment here that racism is only discrimination against blacks - which is a huge no-no, but only, I think, because there aren’t any here - and hating latin Americans is just fine. I can’t set foot on a college campus or library grounds without someone waving a ballot measure in my face to further restrict the rights of immigrants, increase punishments for them, or otherwise somehow disenfranchise them further, and I can’t drive by a Home Depot without people pointing “Go Home Mexicans” signs at me.

And yet, roughly half of self-identifying Hispanics who voted did so in favor of resticting and punishing illegal immigration - even to make English the official language! Are they racists? source another source

“Illegal immigrant” here, I think, is used in much the same way “Jew” was used in 1930s Germany, i.e., for anyone or anything that you don’t like for any reason. It’s a terribly common scapegoat term.

I disagree with this most wholeheartedly.

[Cisco]

@BrainGlutton

:eek: You gotta be fuckin’ kiddin’ me!

@ArizonaTeach

I disagree with this most wholeheartedly.

It’s an opinion, not everyone is going to agree.

I’ll tell you when I first made the allegorical connection in my mind:

I had just gotten laid off and I picked up a part-time job delivering auto parts from a warehouse. On one of my deliveries I got in a little fender bender and called it in to headquarters. Their reponse?

“Illegal alien hit you, huh?”

“No, it was actually partly my fault and I have no idea what the person’s nationality or citizenship status is.”

I get back to the warehouse - different from the headquarters I called into - and 3 different people asked what happened:

“I got in a fender bender”

“Fucking wetback hit you, huh?”

“No.”

. . . ad nauseam.

This is one instance in an ocean of similar sentiment.

Imagine this all took place in the early days of National Socialism in Germany. Would it be “fucking Jew hit you, huh”? I think so.

@ArizonaTeach

And yet, roughly half of self-identifying Hispanics who voted did so in favor of resticting and punishing illegal immigration - even to make English the official language! Are they racists? source another source

It’s a complicated topic that is too big for this thread, but your statistics are not news to me.

[BrainGlutton]

@ArizonaTeach

And yet, roughly half of self-identifying Hispanics who voted did so in favor of resticting and punishing illegal immigration - even to make English the official language! Are they racists? source another source

Like Pat Buchanan whose ancestors had to deal with “No Irish Need Apply,” these folks have Got Theirs and don’t wanna share. That’s understandable. But I doubt one such as Pearce sees any important distinction between them and the wetbacks. (How did that word get started, BTW? I’ve seen pictures of the Rio Grande – if you snuck across it you might get wet feet, but that’s all.)

[GIGObuster]

@BrainGlutton

Like Pat Buchanan whose ancestors had to deal with “No Irish Need Apply,” these folks have Got Theirs and don’t wanna share. That’s understandable.

But many legal hispanics expected that also the law was going to be changed to allow a path to legalization, they got the stick they expected but not the carrot, and the current silence of McCain (I have seen reports that he now sounds like dismissing the ideas that he had just to be elected president) is showing that any Hispanic that expected change with the enforcements was had.

Incidentally, I’m a history teacher now and on top of that a Hispanic in Arizona that was once an illegal.

How is that for being applicable to the subject and the hijacks?

While I have not encountered direct racism as reported by **Cisco **(but seeing black lawn jockeys in the front of some houses in Flagstaff was disturbing), I can report that at least most of the people **Cisco **describes are indeed aware of the racism and do behave properly most of the time, but as soon as they think they are out of the hearing range of a Hispanic they do show their true self, at a previous workplace I caught one ex-coworker wondering aloud why I they hired that “kind” of people after the conversation turned to my accent, to be fair the supervisor advised him not to get there, but it may be because the supervisor had noticed that I was on the next cubicle outside of the field of vision of the cow-orker.

@BrainGlutton

But I doubt one such as Pearce sees any important distinction between them and the wetbacks. (How did that word get started, BTW? I’ve seen pictures of the Rio Grande – if you snuck across it you might get wet feet, but that’s all.)

http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/wetback.htm

There is some debate as to when the word was first recorded. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first recorded use of the word was in 1929 when Foreign Affairs used it to refer to a peon that walks or swims across and is welcomed by countrymen as a ‘wetback’. However, according to the Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, the first recorded use was in 1948 when the number of illegal Mexicans swarming the United States increased by a significantly large percentage.

…

The word “wetback” became widely used when the United States became involved in a military operation known as Operation Wetback. Post World War II, millions of Mexicans swarmed to the United States as the demand for cheap agricultural laborers increased. Between 1944 and 1954, known as “the decade of the wetback,” “the number of illegal Mexican alien workers swimming across the Rio Grande to the United States increased by 6,000 percent” (Operation Wetback, 1997).

As a result, in 1954 Operation Wetback got under way as a national reaction against illegal immigration. Commissioner of INS, Joseph Swing oversaw the Border patrol, and organized state and local officials along with the police. The purpose of border enforcement was “illegal aliens,” but Operation Wetback became strictly focused on Mexicans in general. Officials swarmed Mexican American neighborhoods in southeastern states. Some Mexicans, “fearful of the potential violence of this militarization, fled back south across the border” (Operation Wetback, 1997). In 1954, the agents discovered over one million illegal immigrants. Many of the illegal immigrants were deported to Mexico by trucks, buses, trains, and even ships. In some cases, “illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born children, who were by law U.S. citizens” (Operation Wetback, 1997). The agents used a broad criterion for determining who were potential aliens. They began racial profiling of Mexicans on the street. This practice incited and angered many U.S. citizens who were of Mexican American descent. “Opponents in both the United States and Mexico complained of “police-state” methods, and Operation Wetback was abandoned” (Operation Wetback, 1997).

Right now Sheriff Joe Arpaio thinks it is cute to make a 2008 “light” edition of the operation, to me it is more frightening to realize that many continue to support him even if his idea will risk once again the county from losing millions of dollars when legal people will be affected by his operations and make a lawsuit against him and the county.

And even though on many occasions Arpaio loses the cases and the money the people still elects him! The impression I get is that a good number of people do not care for the loses, I guess cutting off the nose to spite the face is welcomed by many here just show how inhumane they can be.

[GIGObuster]

As for the main theme, how does Russell Pearce expect me to deal with the Mexican American war (1846)?

Truth can be ugly to modern ears, but Pearce is just trying to fix that by attempting to cleanse the past.

[calm_kiwi]

@BrainGlutton

In Samuel P. Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” theory, “Western” civilization includes Europe west of the Catholic-Orthodox dividing line, Canada, the U.S., and Australia and NZ; it does not include Orthodox Europe, nor Latin America.

So using this definition of Western civilisation, would teaching a course about the benefits of a universal healthcare system be banned by this bill? It’s a subject that seems against American values but something clearly enjoyed by the rest of Western civilisation.