Obviously if I can’t keep you from committing logical fallacies there is no way that I can prove that you are the one perfect super human driver in the world.
How is it a side effect?
What REASON do you have to pull into some parking lot and idle with a loud assed POS bike for another 5 minutes after you get there?
Are you like running the heater or AC or sumptin?
The pipes are loud do to a valid, and cited risk. The fact that they ALSO MAKE NOISE when idling is a side effect.
Are you really that dense as to think that the reason motorcycles are loud is so that they can idle them in parking lots?
What logical fallacy? I asked for evidence that I drove unsafely. You posted a link that perhaps showed that people tended to drive unsafely. It is a logical fallacy to assume that I am one of those people.
Seeing as even the compliance for stop signs is only around 22.8 per 100 vehicles, it doesn’t fucking matter. Most drivers are not perfect and because it is you whom is making an extraordinary claim the burden of proof is on you, not me.
You gawd damn moron.
My complaint that got Scum all butthurt in the first place was loud pipes idling in parking lots for 5 minutes after they got there.
Do YOU do that?
If not good on you.
If so, what the hell is your problem?
Do you bitch slap the other idiots that DO do it?
Nice to see you use bigoted terms which debase and trivialize mental illness to commit your ad hominem fallacies.
So you admit you are OK with loud pipes on the road way as long as they don’t idle in parking lots?
What is up with this “admit” business?
Do you think you’ve got me some Columboesque logic trap or something?
I remember being in a customs line to get into Canada which took about an hour to get through. The guy ahead of me had one of those awful Harleys. But, he was considerate enough to switch it off while waiting, and turn it back on when he had to move.
We’re asking for some common consideration. Personally, I don’t really believe that loud pipes save lives, but even if that was the truth, your goddamn loud pipes in a residential neighborhood at 11:37 at night are just annoying, and it’s twice as annoying when you pull into your driveway and JUST SIT THERE. Or like my revving neighbor.
I swear to god this guy would go out, get on his bike, rev it and touch himself. I couldn’t see him, but I’m quite sure that’s what he was doing. There is no other reason to rev your stupid bike for 30-40 minutes at a time.
I can’t answer for Bill, but I am. One of the ironies of loud pipes is that the only times I hear them are when the bikes are accelerating – or when they are idling at a red light. The sound from the acceleration is very short and thus not stressful to me personally, even if the audibility benefit is small since the window in which they can be heard over highway noise is so small. However, at idle, it provides no safety and causes a small but non-zero stress to the surrounding people due to noise pollution.
Assuming you meant “due” in your first sentence, I call bullshit. There is zero analytical evidence that loud pipes do shit to save lives. And, no, an anecdote about that time your cousin Billy did something, blah, blah is not evidence.
I’m a motorcyclist, and I hate loud pipes. I hate the image it gives the rest of us.
And yes, I do think most H-D riders (that’s who we’re talking about here, right? Let’s just say it) DO get loud pipes because THEY like the way they sound. Any BS about the noise making it safer for them to ride is just self-affirmation.
God, I’m in a thread kind of defending billfish678. This is fucked up.
Nope. That’s asshole behavior too. Invest in a muffler.
This is the best misplaced modifier ever.
Aw, fishie, yer a disappointment. I am actively against straight pipes. A little later I’ll link to a thread or two where I say as much. As it happens, I originally goaded you because I think you have an alligator mouth attached to a puppydog ass. I still think so. Either those dentists on their Harleys weren’t really that loud or you were just afraid to actually confront them. If you had just come here and bitched about the noise, I’ d have been on your side. But no, you had to talk some silly-ass shit about the motorcyclists. Your performance in the Bundy thread was the clincher. The keyboard gives you courage.
Oddly enough people whom run loud pipes spend significant amounts of money to make them loud.
I am happy to see that the world needs to bow down to your personal whims…all hail the great Trinopus!!?
OK so should I assume that in being obtuse that you are admitting to have issues with them outside of the limited case you claimed above?
If so your handwaving away my points is not valid.
I see…because people shove random collections of people into arbitrary groups and make unfounded morality judgements; those of us whom fall into this minority groups are obliged to attempt to be model citizens because you think that it will win respect.
Well I have bad news for you. Minority groups never gain respect by being invisible. If you do not believe me just Google for “the model minority myth”
I like billfish as a poster as a whole, but sometimes he’s a little off the wall, so excuse me if I sort of see this topic as the irresistible stupid meeting the unmovable asshole.
WTF are you babbling about? What minority group are you speaking on behalf of? Motorcyclists? Guess what, that’s not a minority group. That’s a collection of people who have a similar interest.
I ride a motorcycle, quite a bit by the way. I am motorcyclist. What I am not is a “biker”. To me, the difference is I don’t wrap myself up in the tribalism of being part of a group that feels they are somehow different or special.
Here’s my shoving of people into a group. Bikers with loud exhausts like loud exhausts because those people are attention whores. Not for any bullshit safety myth. There’s your myth right there.
Can we get back to watching Scumpup and billfish678 fight?