Yeah, but they’re not really engaging like we want them to. Can someone poke them with a stick or something? I can’t reach them from here.
More of a slap fight so far.
Can you cite that they reduce that risk?
Wait if you are not part of the collective group of vulnerable road users riding motorcycles whom are a minority of the vehicles on the road…how can a small number of riders with loud pipes negatively effect the opinions of said group as you are claiming in your previous post? It cannot be both.
FWIW the most common loudest subgroups motorcycles in my area are vintage two stroke bikes closely followed up by cafe racers but this is most likely due to the reality of most cruisers being too long to fit in urban motorcycle parking.
Also note I have factory pipes on all of my bikes but just as I would never call people nes for making names for cheering on little league games next to my house I will just deal with the fact that some people enjoy having loud motorcycles. I may not like it or enjoy it but I am not enough of an asshole to call people names because they are doing something I don’t prefer.
I find it childish to call people names for liking different things. I do like the loud exhaust on my little clown car but if it had not come from the factory I won’t put it on. It is funny how many positive comments I get compared to disapproving comments. Despite it sounding “like it is going to rip your face off” as one bicycle rider commented in praise.
Can you cite taht they do not? The reason people justify them is due to the risk, for the people who use this justification the fact that they make it more likely to be noticed is enough.
The fact that you notice them enough to complain about them is evidence that they may have a point.
So they are financially irresponsible assholes…
… who do not understand how logic works.
No! I will not stand for this sort of egregious slur! Everybody knows you could never rise above Assistant Manager.
How do you know that they are financially irresponsible? Is it just because they paid for something you don’t like?
Pot, meet kettle. Circumstantial evidence allows a on to infer that a fact exists in absence of direct evidence, especially in insignificant decisions like the choice to install louder exhaust in the hope that it will help. Outside of the potential damage to their own hearing the only real downside is some uptight pricks may look down their nose at them and call them names. Do you yell at children as they play at recess, do you write trite letters to the editor demanding the secession of noisy sports events? Do you drive at 30 mph down the highway to avoid making 120 dBA? Or do you ignore that your car is probably making more noise than a rock band as you drive down the road.
Or do you just relish in being a nasty person to those who don’t bend to your self entitled position that all others must bend to your will?
That said we do have one bit of evidence that tends to support the loud pipe’s claim.
WARNING PDF, but silent cars DO kill.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wpcontent/uploads/2013/01/Quiet_Vehicles_NPRM.pdf
I cannot convey how much I look forward to your embittered self involved response.
Same for boom cars. It makes 'em assholes.
Loud exhaust pipes cause cancer.
It’s up to rat avatar to prove they don’t.
Logic 101: the converse of a statement does not carry the same truth value as the original statement.
Pot and kettle meet asshole.
Jesus, no kidding. If I could hand out warnings for being lame, they’d both be banned for this thread.
Ah, but that was not just a converse statement, it was a a cite that demonstrated that increased noise was enough of a safety benefit to actually recommend laws to require noisemakers be installed.
The fact that you just hand-waved away my point and resorted with name calling directly indicates that you have no real point.
BTW, there is evidence that increased motorcycle rider conspicuity does reduce the risk of accidents. The surveys they do do not collect data about noise levels but there is no reason to say that contrasting sound does not increase conspicuity.
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](Motorcycle rider conspicuity and crash related injury: case-control study | The BMJ)
But it doesn’t matter, you will not add anything to the debate in a meaningful way; you will just complain and call me names without providing a single counterpoint let alone a shred of evidence that shows loud pipes do anything negative outside of causing you some personal pain from a strained anal sphincter.
The fact that your point was so weak it could be hand-waved away indicates you have no real point.
Also you’re an asshole.
Ah…Not only am I at fault for not hating bikes with loud pipes but I am also at fault for you so utterly incompetent that you can’t even attempt to debate the actual topic? If this is your bar to mark me as an asshole you must be surrounded by assholes.
Give my regards to Dark Helmet and President Skroob.
I have taken note,
If I am not butt hurt by the same trite first world problem things a Trinopus that I am an asshole even if I do not engage in the behavior…
All hail the great and all seeing Trinopus!!!
I’m not sure this counts as a “first world problem.” Nobody likes being woken up by shitty neighbors, regardless of their socio-economic status. Poor people need sleep, too.
Even the loudest exhaust I can find for a harley is less dBA than a box truck at twice the distance and does not compare to a police siren. It is also lower than a law mower and about the same as busy city traffic.
People ignore these other sounds because they aren’t morally outraged by them, it is confirmation bias and it is a FWP.
As noted before motorcycles may be louder during acceleration on and to highway speeds but note that the original complaint was about idling.
If you hate children the sound of a basket ball being dribbled along the sidewalk will be too loud and annoying.
You’re being worse than an ass; you’re being weird. All hail me? Great and all seeing me? Who the fuck says? You’re mocking something no one has ever claimed.
You’re being a silly blivet.
Ya know…it is even more funny when you still don’t get it…maybe a bit sad but still funny.
Also noted, you ignored all data points again which makes this a bore as I am not going to install loud pipes on any of my motorcycles and you will irrationally hate anyone who doesn’t share your hate.
Have a great day.
All the firearms in the world?
meh
Some of us have vehicles more lethal than all the artillery in the world.
Let me just say, you better not mess with me in my 1999 Toyota Sienna LE (the “Camry of minivans!”, complete with captain chairs and a sliding side door). I call her Gustav, and she’s one bad mutha f***er. 