Billy Jack - who else loves this movie?

Is this not one of the best and worst movies ever made at the same time?

It’s so bad, it’s amazing.

Some questions, for those who will know exactly what I’m talking about:

Why on earth would there just be a giant tub of flour and a scoop right on the counter at an ice cream store?

Was it really necessary for “Dinosaur” to get hurled through the window - horizontally - after B.J. went bezerk?

Can you spot the short, Asian stunt-double during the fight sequence in the park? Hint: he’s dressed exactly like Billy Jack.

Does everyone in New Mexico really have a Winchester lever-action rifle?

Can a Corvette be driven into a lake, towed out, and still be functional afterwards?

Anything else you care to add?

I want to hear from all the Billy Jack fans here.

It was awful.

And “The Trial of Billy Jack” was even worse. EXCEPT for the part where the National Guard gunned down all the hippies. THAT part was great!

Love every cheesy moment of it. Like the first one, “Born Losers,” even more. Ah, cheap 60s biker flicks. “Trial” is barely watchable for all the proselytizing; I’ve never been able to make it through “BJ Does Washington” (or whatever it was called).

Sir Rhosis

Oh, I thought the flour was powdered sugar, but I may have a faulty memory.

I saw and enjoyed the first Billy Jack movie, The Born Losers, at the Drive-in. When Billy Jack came out 4 years later and was so popular, I tried to tell people that it was a sequel, and that I’d seen the original movie, but no one believed me.

I liked The Trial of Billy Jack even more than the first two Billy Jack movies. For some reason I never saw Billy Jack Goes to Washington.

I had relatives who lived in the town where some of Billy Jack was filmed, Prescott, AZ. It was fun visiting them and seeing the square where BJ kicked a lot of ass.

Kent State must have made you cream your jeans.

Have you SEEN the movie? It was so bad, Abbie Hoffman was cheering for the Guardsmen by the time it was over.

Ahh one of my all-time favorite movies from my youth.

Some items you failed to mention:

  • Bernard rapes…Jean ??? I mean come on. There are all those hotties at the school, and he picks…her ? I’m not sure who was more violated.

  • Of course I spotted the asian stand-in the first time I saw it (Bong Soo Han, by the way. The guy who was at the Freedom school giving lessons). But that park scene is one of the classic martial arts fights: ex-marine, half indian against rednecks. What more could you ask for ?

  • (wailing with hands over ears like Quasimodo): the songs ! the songs ! For a high school kid only going to see that movie for the fight scenes, those songs being sung at the Freedom school were torture. But…

  • “One Tin Soldier” was the perfect theme song for the movie.

I never really thought about it, but that Freedom school was very similar to…the South Harmon Institute of Technology ! :wink:

“…but when I see this girl, who is so special we call her ‘god’s little gift of sunshine’, and I think of all the years she’s going to have to live with this…I…just…”

Jean looked kind of sexy from some angles. But from other angles, she looked like Tom Petty.

Billy was a Green Beret, not a Marine.

That song that the blonde girl sings at the school ("why is there war…why is there killing) had the most out of tune guitar I’ve ever heard.

There are a lot of scenes in Billy Jack that don’t look like scenes from a movie, they look like someone just took a camera and recorded something that was happening in real life. The scene with the city council meeting was one of them - it really seemed real, not like it was part of a movie.

The music was OK, some of it awesome. Somewhere in storage I’ve got the soundtrack on vinyl.

You have to be kidding. I saw Billy Jack, The Trial of Billy Jack, and Billy Jack Goes to Washington when they were first released. Why? I had a boyfriend who was into passive-aggressive movies.

In my own defense, I was young & stupid. I loved the guy. (hey, when you’re 19 or so, you’re not always thinking straight). What did I say to my then lover? “Wow, what a concept.”

What did I think? The concept…vet & girlfriend set us “freedom school” in the middle of a desert & fight rednecks. BJ takes off boots to kick redneck ass. BJ goes to jail, then to Washington.

Coven’s “One Tin Soldier” was good, though.

Love, Phil

Oh, I love Billy Jack. It’s pretty much the same bullshit that people have to deal with at this time and place in American History.

…It’s the facist conservatives trying to knock everybody down while the compassionate liberals try to lift people up.

Ken over at Jabootu (the old site, .com, not the new .net) has the definitive Billy Jack review. Be sure to start with the introduction for the complete experience.

I haven’t seen it in years and years. It made quite an impression on my young self, but I doubt it has aged well. I have thought about renting it for fun, but every time I have done something like that I’ve regretted it. Better to leave it to my memories.

Just recently rented it. Some notes:

“One Tin Soldier” was originally done by a Canadian Christian band called Original Caste. It was covered for the movie by a (literally) Satanic group called Coven. The producers neglected to pay for the rights; so, the movie starts right off with some intellectual property theft.

Even though the school is on reservation land, almost all the kids are white. Actually, that might have been explained while I was daydreaming; it’s really hard to focus on this movie for too long.

I noticed a young Howard Hesseman as one of the instructors. They were played by a San Francisco improv group called The Committee; in the middle of the movie we see them doing an improv skit in the town square – the same place Billy Jack fights all those rednecks – with the cooperation and even participation of the Sheriff and City Council members. Kind of bizarre; it’s like it’s two different towns.

For that matter, the Sheriff seems like a pretty decent guy – why does he have no control over his deputy?

Boy, those Indians sure are better and wiser than white people. (And I’m damn tired of Whitey keeping me down.)

Bernard is a remarkably self-aware, articulate heavy. A couple of times, he muses about why he’s so fucked-up, then goes ahead and does something bad anyway.

I did like the scene where Billy Jack dispatches Bernard. No drawn-out fight scene, just a quick chop to the Adam’s apple.

What the movie is really good for is acting as a time capsule, showing the mindset in a particular part of American culture at a particular time. While I was watching it, I kept feeling like the vibe was a couple of years earlier than the 1971 release date; sure enough, it was filmed in 1968 and '69.

Sometimes Delores Taylor looks a little like Willem Defoe. Nevertheless, her naked swimming scene was fascinating to me when I was 10 and the movie was a huge summer hit.

Ugh, pretentious hippy bullshit. I saw this movie on TV when I was 15 and well into my Fuck The World phase, so I loved it. A couple of years ago, I found it in the bargain bin at Microcenter and bought it on instinct.

It was terrible. Just . . . awful. I want my $5.99 plus tax back. Except for the fight scene in the park. It’s amazing how a movie this putrid could contain something as wonderful as that scene. On second thought, Microcenter can keep the money. It’s worth the price to just skip to that scene and play it in slow motion, so that you can watch big bad townies get their asses handed to them by a tiny Korean guy in a denim jacket and cowboy hat.

On edit:

Huh. I never thought about it like that, but you’re right. Good call.

I was hoping Billy Jerk would get his ass handed to him but then I was cheering for the guys in the truck at the end of Easy Rider.

“Easy Rider,” “The Strawberry Statement,” “Head,” etc.

Did all hippie movies stink?

Don’t forget “Zabriskie Point.”

I think, as a first approximation, “All Hippie Movies Suck” is a valid statement.

(Added: [Charlton Heston]“Get your hands off that camera, you dirty stinking Hippies!”[/CH])

I must have been 8 or 9 at the time. The grooviness of the 60s hadn’t worn off completely so the whole righteous indignation thing was still an element. I was also too young to wonder why Billy Jack would pick Delores Taylor.

For anybody who wonders what he’s up to these days…

http://billyjack.com/

This “Go Berserk” tee shirt would seem to indicate that it was flour at the ice cream parlor.

http://www.billyjack.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TSBERSERK&Category_Code=TSHIRT&Store_Code=BERSERK