I had a movie camera in the 70s. I could focus. The on-board microphone did not pick up distant sound at all well. Even voices 10 ft. away as opposed to 30 , you could hear a clear difference in the recorded sound. Those sounds in the film were not coming through the camera’s microphone.
And i love how that one so-called spaceship wasn’t even in the frame.
I think you’ve missed my point. What, other than a tremendous workload of genuine alien contact and being targeted by Men In Black, might explain Meier’s isses with physical evidence?
Just the logistics of carrying it all out if as skeptics have inputed to Meier and this all alone by himself with one arm with no one to help him out all at the same time that he is looking after his family, taking care of the farm, meeting many visitors to his farm, giving interviews, being investigated and on and on
For one, as a person who also publishes UFO-related books, he has an incentive to support Meier’s claims and support alien-contact reports generally.
You’ve got to start from the beginning when Wendelle Steven only heard about the Meier case who he then brought independent private investigative team headed by Lee Elders who anted to prove a fraud.
For two…I’ll phrase this delicately…the field of UFO studies is filled with cranks and con artists.
You are correct in saying this and there are numerous examples but this doesn’t mean that Billy Meier is
You are really hung up on the one-arm thing. I’m sure you’d offend other people with that disability to suggest that they can’t write books, take photos or videos, earn a living, or raise children. Helen Keller wrote 12 books, for Pete’s sake. Jim Abbot pitched in the major leagues. People with disabilities can do more than you seem to give them credit for.
Are you accusing me of discriminating against disabled people!>
I thought this was against the forum rules.
Where are these moderators
Just kidding.
No you’ve got to consider what the skeptics have accused Billy Meier for and then go from there.
The people who you’ve mentioned are not exactly in the same situation that Billy Meier is in nor have had to face.
If fraud was perpetuated as inputed towards Billy Meier by the skeptics, then you have to consider how a one armed man could’ve pulled it off all by himself without help from anybody.
But, that aside…are you saying that Meier didn’t actually write his books, take the photos, record video, earn a living, and raise his children? Whether or not it’s a hoax, he really did do those things, did he not? What’s disputed is whether his books recount actual events, whether his photos are of models or TV images or aliens, and so forth, not whether he actually wrote books and took photos at all.
No you are missing the point
What I said was for a person like Billy with just one arm having to do all the regular chores around the farm and yet have the time to write all those books in conjunction with everything else without ever being found out if it was a hoax is impossible to pull off logicall y speaking.
And thirdly, how do you know that Meier had no accomplices? You’ve already noted that Stevens backs up at least some of his story, and admitted that his ex-wife claims it’s all a fraud.
Because there hasn’t been anyone yet who has come straght out and said they’ve helped perpetuate the fraud.
Wendelle supports Billy story only after careful investigation by him and an independent private investigators who were out there to prove a fraud
What makes you so sure she didn’t assist him? Or, that no one else did? Or, that assistance was required?
Because she never once claimed that she helped in the fraud and why would she after the divorce when she gave that interview, she should’ve gone out and told all when she had the chance but she didn’t which leads to one conclusion, she was never an accomplice to a fraud because she never helped in such matter which then supports Billy Meiers as telling the truth.
He sure does. If Meier had two arms, would you reject his claims? At this point, his disability appears to be absolutely central to your belief.
No its not belief and this question of your is illogical
Had he started out with two arms then this would be an entirely different matter.
I asked you to pick your best example.
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They are all good examples
Like I said there is always a context behind everything
Don’t you get it yet
I’ve provided this example to highlight how difficult it would be for a one armed person to manipulate the strings whilst taking the footage all at the same time with one amr without any accomplice and also get the sort of effect in the film.
And you never considered that there’s someone off camera helping out?
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newinitiation, I suggest you start using quote boxes (unless there is some reason you can’t) and drop the blue text thing. I think you made a couple of coloring mistakes in your last post and that only makes it harder to tell what you’re writing and what you’re quoting.
A few days ago I posted, asking a question about what Billy’s thoughts were - was he crazy like a fox trying to scam people and get attention, or was he just simply crazy?
I never figured out the answer to that one, but the information on Billy himself is pretty scant.
Next question: what kind of people could get taken in by this? Would just having really poor thinking skills suffice, or would a person have to actually be nuts?
Visiting the Thread: I just spent a few minutes reading the whole thread, and viewing some of the photos, specifically the “Wedding Cake” UFO pics.
Good God, those are some of the crappiest fake photos ever. You can see the molding lines on the rim of the spacecraft’s base. You can see how it’s fixed to the tree behind it rather than “flying.” The focus is all impossible wrong.
Arthur Conan Doyle wouldn’t have been fooled by these awful fakes! (Okay, yes he would, but, jeez. These stink! I was doing better space photos in the 60s with a model of the Geminii capsule and a spray-paint “star field” background!)
This isn’t a controversy. This is a farce.
Seriously, you thought he had any to begin with? 
But, if the aliens aren’t real, how did he know enough about what their spaceships looked like to fake them to such an extent that they fooled me? Huh, smart guy? Can you answer that?
There is no controversy. There is also no interest. These three are the first I have encountered in twenty-five years who give a damn about Meier.
For Meier to have perpetrated a hoax, there needs to be a number of people who were taken in. This dog won’t hunt.
Me too - I’ve been hanging out here for 14 years and on the newsgroups before that, and I’ve run across all kinds of baffling beliefs, but I’ve never seen anyone who thought Meier was more than just a crappy hoaxer.
newinitiation, let’s set Meier aside for a moment, OK? You’ve mentioned your familiarity with UFO hoaxes, even if this isn’t one. So you know what they look like and generally how well they’re executed. But tell us please: *If *there were a UFO enthusiast who wanted to see how good a hoax he could pull, *and *he happened to have only one arm, no money, and a room-temperature IQ, what sort of props and photos and story do you think he’d come up with?
Heck, this dog is dead! It is an ex-dog! It is pushing up daisies! It has gone to meet its maker!
I’ve seen some beautiful Photoshop jobs of UFOs – not intended to deceive, but to amuse – and this clown’s photos aren’t even in the same damn galaxy!
Runner pat, The Talmud Jmmanuel gives Truth that the religions have been able to do in 2000 years.
A German translation of one of the scrolls survives. The originals were destroyed in a raid by the Israeli army.
So I’m supposed to trust a translation that can’t be compared to the original.
Oh look, they’re starting to fight among themselves.
So this futureofmankind site isn’t quite approved by Meier.
Again, you’re assuming that a hoax would be more difficult than actual alien contact. In fact, this hoax would be much easier.
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You’ve got to start from the beginning when Wendelle Steven only heard about the Meier case who he then brought independent private investigative team headed by Lee Elders who anted to prove a fraud.
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Ever hear of Project Alpha? People that badly want to believe in the paranormal make awful investigators of it.
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You are correct in saying this and there are numerous examples but this doesn’t mean that Billy Meier is
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No, but it makes the mere word of Stevens insufficient.
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Are you accusing me of discriminating against disabled people!>
I thought this was against the forum rules.
Where are these moderators
Just kidding.
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Not discrimination, no, but prejudice, yes. You seem convinced that a person with one arm couldn’t do much of anything.
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No you’ve got to consider what the skeptics have accused Billy Meier for and then go from there.
The people who you’ve mentioned are not exactly in the same situation that Billy Meier is in nor have had to face.
If fraud was perpetuated as inputed towards Billy Meier by the skeptics, then you have to consider how a one armed man could’ve pulled it off all by himself without help from anybody.
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One armed men can write, take pictures, and record video. I don’t see the problem, nor do I assume he acted alone.
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No you are missing the point
What I said was for a person like Billy with just one arm having to do all the regular chores around the farm and yet have the time to write all those books in conjunction with everything else without ever being found out if it was a hoax is impossible to pull off logicall y speaking.
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I don’t follow…are you suggesting that Meier had ET help with writing his books, or what?
And, there’s the issue that Meier was found out as a hoax. Perhaps his heavy workload is to blame for taking shortcuts like using pictures of TV dancers or the page of a book.
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]Because there hasn’t been anyone yet who has come straght out and said they’ve helped perpetuate the fraud.
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That doesn’t mean he didn’t or doesn’t have accomplices, it means that none of them have come forward. In the absence of a falling out or Meier not sharing the proceeds, why would they? Why interfere with a good scam?
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Wendelle supports Billy story only after careful investigation by him and an independent private investigators who were out there to prove a fraud
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Again, see Project Alpha. And that at least had the veneer of a rigorous, scientific approach. A cadre of amateurs under the direction of a UFOlogist is even less credible.
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Because she never once claimed that she helped in the fraud and why would she after the divorce when she gave that interview, she should’ve gone out and told all when she had the chance but she didn’t which leads to one conclusion, she was never an accomplice to a fraud because she never helped in such matter which then supports Billy Meiers as telling the truth.
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I found a few references to her stating that she helped take photos. Do you have a link to a complete statement or interview or hers, or the court proceedings?
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No its not belief and this question of your is illogical
Had he started out with two arms then this would be an entirely different matter.
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So, if all his claims and evidence were the same, but he had two arms, would you believe him?
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They are all good examples
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Really? None are more convincing than others? How odd.
If so then where are they?
You’ll have to dumb it down for me, computers are not my forte
All I am doing is pressing the quote button which I thought I should do to quote people.
I mean what is the sense of asking a third party on what Billy thinks, why not ask him directly yourself from the FIGU forum on Q&A to Billy when it opens