This sounds like one of C.S. Lewis’ arguments. It is just as wrong when applied to Meier as when it is applied to Christianity.
Actually, I have never read anything at IIG, and this is the main “skeptical forum” I participate in. It’s not regurgitating when you write it yourself. I have held an interest in the Fringe for more than forty years now.
It took me a little time to recall Meier, as I seriously had not heard of him since the '70s. Then I remembered the space babes pictures.
As his schtick seems to have morphed from “alien encounters” to “Gospel from Space” cultishness, I am not surprised he has been off my radar. I have little interest in cults or religious whackadoos.
Oh realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly
Only reason why you call it a hoax is because you know nothing about it nor have you read anything beyond the ad hoc pieces that the skeptics with their silly arguments have put forth.
How else could it be given that none of you argument ever deals with the statements from Billy’s materials but are too busy uselessly throwing ad hominum attacks and frankly this appraoch is a poor mans method of argument because they never deal with the facts presented.
That’s Billy in front of the camera
The whole premise of all religions rests on beliefs, this includes the Christianity fable.
Meier’s information delas with the unequivocal truths that anyone who can think can verify for themselves.
You begin to make many typos when you get upset. You are allowed to type slower and spell-check.
Why would I lie to you about my background and motives? I am not promoting a rival cult to Billy’s. Besides, I believe your repeated assertions that Meier is too clumsy and uneducated to perpetrate this ongoing saga is an example of ad hominem support. Just because a man only has one arm and a sixth-grade education does not mean he is uncreative or not clever.
There is no reason to read Billy’s “materials” when there is no evidence beyond his say-so that these encounters occurred. His space aliens are simply angels or fairies in shiny pants. His story is one for folklorists to examine, not scientists.
I am very happy you have found a religious leader whose teachings resonate with you.
MULTIPLE garbage cans?
I mean seriously for someone who purports to have had
interest in the fringe and paranormal for many decades and yet have not come across Billy Meier’s material until recently when the creation of the world wide web from infancy to now covers at least 2 decades I find very hard to believe.
Its possible and I am not accusing you of lying but either you had no such interest only until recently having bumped into various sites dealing with the fringe or you don’t want to admit it for the fear of losing the argument.
I am not here to argue nor to ram Billy’s material down people’s throats, I am here to state the facts as they truly are about the case which often is met with ad hominum attacks and derogatory remarks.
People should apply their everyday reasoning and logic to the Billy meier case just as they would driving, shopping, doing the laundry or doing business instead of suspending it just because they can hide behind the safety of their anonymity and take the 'anything goes approach" and become illogical.
Coincidence
New UN Report Confirms Billy Meier’s Information from…1951
Never said I had never heard of Meier until recently. I said I had not heard of him for quite a while. When he first started showing off his pictures of space babes back in the 1970s there was some interest, but his crudely faked photos and absurd religious musings made him irrelevant to UFOlogists by the early '80s.
I am sorry if I was unclear about my Meier-interest timeline.
Personally, I am calling it a hoax because I used my eyes to look at the photos.
They are childishly bad fakes. Ridiculous photos of obvious models. So blatantly, laughably bad, that any person who would seriously investigate* his claims has already given up the title of “reasonable person” and can be safely placed into the “trying desperately to believe” column.
*My Googling of “Billy Meier Garbage Can” to provide the photo of the food container lid used for the WCUFO base was entirely for entertainment purposes, and in no way should be construed to mean that I feel his claims are “legitimate” enough to warrant investigation.
I’m surprised you would cite the global depopulation conspiracists in support of Billy Meier.
Though it would be interesting :dubious: to see exactly what ol’ Billy said in 1951 regarding climate change, rather than someone claiming the UN report “confirms” his alleged prognostications.
Um…no. You are wildly overestimating my emotional investment in this.
Just like Project Alpha. And since the Meier case, Lee Elders has gone on to make a living writing books about UFOs and conducting investigations. He has a financial stake in people believing in this stuff, just like Stevens.
He was a UFOlogist before, and after. What do UFOlogists do? They believe in alien spacecraft. He’s about as far from an unbiased investigator as you can get.
If a deaf and blind woman can right 12 books, a man with one hand can pitch in major league baseball, a man with one arm can climb Mt. Everest, I have no trouble believing that a man with one arm could construct and film UFO models.
It’s fine that you find value in his philosophy, but it’s got nothing to do with whether he’s really been visited by aliens.
That’s a ridiculous story, and the fact that you believe it makes me strongly doubt that you were initially skeptical about Meier.
Depends on who they are and why they are helping. If it’s purely for monetary gain, exposing Meier would interrupt the income stream from books and such. If it’s to promote a New Age philosophy by wrapping it in UFO trappings and a touch of Messianism, exposing Meier would cause (some) people to stop believing in the philosophy.
I can’t watch video at the PC I’m currently using, so I’ll have to watch that later on my home PC.
Ok then. You just seem very invested in the one-arm aspect, is all.
Why does a scientific claim or prediction need a context?
The “initially skeptical” thing is such a staple of woo, that if you hear it, it virtually guarantees that the person is mindlessly credulous about lots of things.
“I was skeptical at first, but once I tried Woo-In-A-Can™, hair grew back all over my body, I became irresistible to women and made millions selling useless remedies to nincompoops.”
First it’s the Plejaren, then it’s Billy. Obviously you have no idea who it is.
How do you know anything about what was said that day?
If that’s Billy, who’s running the camera?
Since the only two reasonable options are that Billy is either a con man, or he’s batshit crazy, I don’t think I would gain much by asking him directly.
As much as I enjoy seeing the crazy shit believed by the seemingly otherwise functional people on the fringe, I don’t enjoy engaging with the mentally ill. This thread has started looking to me more like the latter.
Taunting the schizophrenic guy who lives down at the bus station is something that harms him. This thread is looking a lot like that. I think I’ll back out now.
No, that can’t be right — the style of argumentation preferred by Billy Meier’s disciples in no way amusingly resembles popular religious apologetics. Just keep an open mind and I’m sure you’ll be as convinced as I am.
That’s Michael Stipe, there in the corner. He can later be seen in the spotlight, losing his [del]religion[/del] alien photos.
Hey, there’s a comic book version on that site. Awesome.
Nobody has said “Haw Haw” yet though. And no dogs that I’ve found. Also, Aliens have great 70’s hair.