OK - I know this thread will probably last about as long as a nervous groom on his wedding night, but (deep breath)… Here goes:
I hear a lot about this whole Roswell, aliens thing. I mean, there are books, TV shows, documentaries, websites, etc. I don’t expect that someone can provide a simple answer, but, all that said, what is a reasonably intelligent, logical person to believe?
Do extra-terrestrials visit the Earth, or not?
If I hadn’t actually seen a UFO, I would say, “no.”
sdimbert, I think you misunderstand what happens to a thread when I lock it up in this forum. It doesn’t die, it just moves. In this case, to the Great Debates forum. Go to that forum and you will find the thread open and intact.
Regarding the Roswell incident specifically: http://skepdic.com/roswell.html
The debris found at Roswell, New Mexico in the 1940s was almost certainly from high altitude balloons involved in the then-top-secret Project Mogul.
The subsequent stories about vanishing nurses and alien corpses weren’t “remembered” until the early 1980s, and are about as reliable as a rusted-out Edsel.
In everyplace I’ve ever been that has a significant number of UFO sightings - New Mexico, Montana, Nevada among others, all sightings have been very near U.S. military installations where all kinds of futuristic experimental, largely top-secret equipment was being tested, constantly. That, to me, explains it all. Either that, or our government is, gasp!, in cahoots with the aliens or worse, double gasp!! is being run by the aliens. And that would, of course, explain Hillary. (Just kidding.)
While we’re waiting on Krispy original to show . . . ( :))
I have a close family member who worked for the Air Force and worked at the real Area 51. Also at 46, 53 (that area of Nev. is a numbered grid), and at Yucca Mountain. They did a whole lot of ultra-classified shit there, involving such things over the years as the Blackbird, the B1B, the B2, some deltawing projects, some really cool AWACS stuff, etc, etc.
Any one of the above could very well have provided fodder for conspiracists and believers.
And almost all of which were pretty heavily leaked.
I certainly can’t prove there are no aliens or youfos in Nevada. But I choose to believe that if our government can’t keep a lid on aircraft that are potentially vital to our national security, they sure couldn’t keep quiet about the vast amounts of “evidence” some people choose to believe exists.
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Some astronauts, pilots, and high-ranking military officials seem to believe that some UFOs are ET in origin.
I believe the answer is, as it is to so many tough questions, “it depends”.
A “reasonably intelligent, logical” person will not believe that there is any such thing as a UFO. There is no hard evidence for their existence, therefore, they do not exist.
A “reasonably intelligent, logical” person who also has a sense of humor and a good imagination, who enjoys fairy tales, and who occasionally permits himself to wonder, “what if…?” about things as diverse as UFOs, international conspiracies, and the Existence of God, will believe in UFOs–sort of. Sometimes. Kind of. After a fashion. Maybe 1/2 of 1% convinced…
My personal WAG as to the existence of UFOs? I think there’s a 99.5% probability that the answer is “no”. But that other .5% sure is fun to play with, ain’t it?
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen
Some astronauts, pilots, and high-ranking military officials are human beings and can be sucked into believing in conspiracy theories just as easily as anyone else.
One of the problems with conspiracy theories is that they can’t all be true. They’re contradictory. Several times I’ve read conspiracy theories with such cleverly arranged data that I was almost convinced, but then I went on to read the next conspiracy theory, which makes completely different assumptions, and I was almost convinced by that. There’s a lot of data out there, and it’s easy to arrange and highlight it to look like a conspiracy. I recommend to all conspiracy theorist that they read other people’s conspiracy theories and then ask themself if their evidence is really any better than that of any other conspiracy.
And the overwhelming majority of astronauts, pilots, and high-ranking military officials don’t believe this. Why accept the beliefs of 1% as true and the beliefs of 99% as false?
Does anyone else think it odd that the U.S. is basically the only country in the world with stealth capabilities even after all these years? america unfortunatly is not that good at keeping secrets IE:nuke info to china.
My theory is that we have gotten ahold of alien technology a long time ago and we are just now starting to figure out how it works.
and just to let everone know during my brief time in the service I was shacked up with several former air force officers that went army. One of them actually had the credetials to back this up said / there are gov agencies that operate above the executive level.
These agencies are the real people who keep things hush hush as to not upset the public.
these people exsist because I have met some and I will also say they do not all work in the U.S./
I realize that noone will belive me but I got the info by asking the right people questions and it was suprisingly easy to get some info. the only reason I give any of what I was told any credit of truth at all is A.)the rank and cerdentials of the people I spoke with/ B.)because certain things I asked about they would only elude to and ask me not to ask about certain things.
now I realize that that alot of what I was told was indeed B.S. but some I’m not so sure. in any case it made for good fodder.
also let’s remember in every lie there is some truth.
The best Roswell theory I’ve ever heard came directly from the pages of Popluar Mechanics.
They speculate that the US Military was experimenting with reverse engineering captured Japanese “Flying Disc” technology. Along with the technology, they had also captured a large number of test pilots and engineers.
Now…not knowing if their creation would actually fly or not, they used the most disposable personell they had, the Japanese, to test pilot it. Ultimately, the project turned out to not work, and crashed just outside of Roswell. A number of rather intoxicated, backwoods, redneck hicks get to the crash site first, extrapolate from the shape of the wreckage, and make all sorts of crazy conclusions.
Then they see the bodies. What does an asian person look like to a backwoods, drunken country bumpkin in the late 40s who has never seen another asian in his life, in very poor light? EXACTLY like what every alien discription ever has showed.
The government, not willing to admit the loss of human life, fudges with a story about the weather balloons.
Seems perfectly logical to me.
Truth does not change because it is, or is not, beleived by a majority of the people.
-Giordano Bruno
BRIAN BROVOLD wrote:
There is a difference in kind, as well as in degree, between nuclear secrets and stealth secrets. To develop a working atomic bomb, there are a few non-obvious tricks you have to know, but everything else can be extrapolated from physics textbooks. To develop flyable airplanes with radar cross-sections as low as the B-2 or F-117, you need sophisticated computer models run on supercomputer equipment that the Chinese and ex-Soviets just don’t have – and even if you do work the computer modelling out, the planes themselves are still going to be mondo expensive to build, and won’t begin to pay for themselves unless you can build several of them.
Furthermore, we don’t know for sure that other countries don’t have Stealth technology…
If there really are government agencies that operate above the executive level, their existence would be classified top-secret, right?
Think about that for a moment.
When you are cleared for need-to-know of classified info, and before it is revealed to you, the people who will reveal the info to you make absolutely positively sure that you know you are not, under any circumstances, to divulge said info to anybody who is not also cleared to hear it. Breaking this vow of secrecy is considered High Treason. Why would your bunkmates be willing to commit High Treason and blurt out classified information to you?
Unless, of course, the information isn’t classified because it’s just a rumor.
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That’s OK, we can extrapolate. You were expressing sardonic amusement, yes?
“Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen
The rest are aliens.
Krispy said:
Exactly. They SEEM to believe. The stuff we’re proffered by the folks in MUFON and makers of autopsy video’s is made to be as sympathetic to the cause as possible. Now we have some documented high ranking officials (military and otehrwise) who’re on the record… but everything else is suspect.
Watchin the friendly skies,
Jai Pey