Billy Meier, whats the verdict?

Then the irony is lost on you

Unless you can show that you are authorized to speak for Meier, FIGU and the rest, your opinion of what is acceptable is worthless.

You’ve made no mention before that we all have to learn German. Where did that come from?

Oh rubbish Runner, mannnnnnnn just think about it for a second or two, Huh, if we use your example then nobody on the face of this planet has any right to speak at all.

QUESTION: “So in carrying out the mission today in our modern world, what is the best or most effective way we can make known the teachings? In other words, what is the most important thing we can do today to help with the mission?”

ANSWER: “The most important thing is that the teachings are distributed in written (and correct!) form all over the world. In ancient times this usually happened in non-written form which opened the doors to many mis-interpretations and mistakes, etc., which was also the case with many religious books, like the Thora, the New Testament, the Quran, etc. The people of those times usually were rather uneducated and didn’t understand much of the teachings. Many terms which were necessary to explain the teachings correctly were non-existent in those times.”

“For very many words and concepts in the German language there exist no kind of words or concepts of equal value in the entire English language, as well as in many other Earthly languages, neither in the form that they are the same value as would be expressed in German, or that they could describe the German word-idea even slightly, even only in the most distant form.” - Billy

  1. “Before the setting of the determination 13,500 years ago, it was already recognised that one day the High German language of the New Age must exist on the Earth, which alone would offer all possibilities of a perfect and all-expressive and all-explaining language.” - Ptaah

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/translations.htm

  1. The secret USAmerican plan, since the First World War, has been organized to eradicate the German language in particular, and indeed in conjunction with USAmerica’s secret, world-domination plans.

  2. Durch die ganze Disharmonie aber wird die deutsche Sprache mit all ihren Abarten und Dialekten durch eine falsche Betonung der Worte in den gesprochenen Sätzen verseucht, was die ganze Disharmonie zusätzlich fördert und auch auf die Regierenden, Firmenführer, die Wirtschaftsmagnaten und Militärs usw. einen äusserst negativen Einfluss ausüben wird.

  3. But through the entire disharmony, the German language, with all its varieties and dialects, is infected through a wrong stressing of the words in the spoken sentences, which additionally promotes the entire disharmony and also exercises an extremely negative influence on governors, company leaders, industrial magnates, and the military, and so forth.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv5p50-52.htm

So where is your authority to decide which parts of that site are valid and which aren’t?

The US is doing a pretty poor job of it then. I haven’t noticed German dying out.
Since you are so sure about that plan, lets see some documentation of it.

That quote from the preface of the Webster dictionary 1913 is actually from A brief history of the English language By James Hadley. From 1880. Don’t you think things might have changed a bit from 133 years ago?

Think what the Germans could have done in the past century if the U.S. hadn’t kept them down.

Nazi Moon bases!

…with hot German teachers. :wink:

I’ve just had a jrevelation. The following jprophesies have been revealed unto me by space aliens who crashed in my hedge.

Prophesy 1: No space aliens will have physically revealed themselves on earth by 2020.

Prophesy 2: The hedge prophesy, named after the aliens in my hedge. IF aliens do contact us by any means, they will have no clue who Billy Meier is or was.

Prophesy 3: You, newinitiation, will not be with us a year from now. I hope that this one is false, and, after all, the aliens were in my hedge and drunk as skunks.

Wait. The USAmericans have a *secret *plan for world conquest? How secret can an economic and cultural hegemony be? The USAmericans have infested the minds of people all across the world with their USAmerican memes through fast food and television. No secret.

(Oh, and among these “USAmerican” ideas is a strong dislike for anyone who promulgates an antisemetic stance. That is something we learned from Germans about 70 years ago. I admit it did take us about twenty years longer to apply the lesson to other minorities.)

I just watched this movie for the first time yesterday. Woah. That’s an amazing coincidence. Are you guys in contact with aliens? How did you know that?

WWBD?

-footnote to the prophesies above. Please note that it was prophesied that newinitiation would not be among us on the 'dope. Jthanks,

Yes it is, creative is the exact meaning of schöpferisch, the rest is also wrong:

Der Schaffende/Erschaffende = somebody who creates, creator

Or if its not capitalized, they can be forms of the verb schaffen/erschaffen = create, like in “Der schaffende Künstler”, but they are never equivalent to “Schöpfung”, which means creation.

This nitpick is the first time in this thread that you act like a typical doper.

Granted, this would have been my translation, but area and realm are equivalent

Yes it does. Its entity. A German equivalent is Entität. See?

Granted, there’s no direct, 100 % equivalent in English, but it can be translated to disposition, temper or feeling. It certainly isn’t “the spirit’s counterpart to the material body’s psyche”, whatever that means.

Bless you.

It’s doesn’t count unless you have fuzzy photos.

German speaking aliens now??

Either my meds are wearing off or someone else needs a refill.

Wait… I’m not on any meds.

I do not believe they ever said they spoke German. They did say that proper “High German” is the best Earth language to use to translate their schtuff. Not the “High German” that anyone speaks nowadays though, since that has degenerated through contact with Untermenschen-spracht, but the pure blonde blue-eyed Aryan “High German” now lost to everyone but space aliens.

Yes, I see what you are getting at, and you are either wriggling (again), yourself, or you are using words that you do not understand.
There is a difference between calling someone a liar and calling someone a fraud. The fraud specifically seeks to enrich himself with his lies. A liar may be telling lies for the amusement of deceiving people. I have given Meier the benefit of the doubt that he is not spreading this nonsense for personal gain. (Despite the over-inflated prices on his tomes, publishing costs probably prevent him from making much money on them, so he is hardly getting rich on this stuff, so I have not called him a fraud. Of course, he might just be an incompetent fraud who is failing to get rich on his efforts, but that was not what I said. :stuck_out_tongue: )

So, our options, now that you have introduced a third one, are that he may be an idiot, he may be a liar, or he may be an incompetent fraud. I still have made no claim that I know which of these three apply.

No. He was curious because the cadence of your writing is not that of a native speaker of English in Britain, North America, or Australia. It is not an attempt to insult you, simply curiosity.

Certainly not if English isn’t your primary language, because I understand that difficulties arise when trying to translate from one language to another.

Well, if there is any validity tothis claim, then English would be superior to German and Finnish would be best of all.

Perhaps we should all learn Finnish to better understand the aliens. Unless the Finns are the aliens. Which is something I’ve often suspected anyway.

The point of actually engaging other posters in discussion is to participate in the debate. Pointing at random links and claiming that your point is in there is not adequate.
For example

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[li] I found the lies about Jews and ancient “Israelis” on a site to which you had provided a link. I then pointed out the errors, (lies, actually), that the supposed "ET"s purportedly told. In response, you have made no effort to demonstrate that there was any truth in their claims:[/li]You have failed to provide any evidence that anyone in ancient times was called an “Israeli.” (You actually called them Israelites, although you have left it up in the air as to whether that was a typo or your personal biases showing through.) In continuing that discussion, you simply pointed to another link that provided no evidence, but simply repeated lies about the Jewish people while whining that the FIGU was being accused of antisemitism.
[li]Part of the lie about the Jewish people (or ancient “Israelis” or whomever) was that they have always achieved their goals. Despite being asked for an example, you have avoided answering that question, refusing to identify what “goals” these “Israelis” actually achieved all through history.[/li][li]You keep whining that I am fixated on the letter J, but you have failed to actually address the issues I have raised with it. The Talmud Jmmanuel was supposedly written in Aramaic. There is no letter in Aramaic that represents the sound of the letter J in English. There is is a letter (yudh), in Aramaic, that corresponds to the letter Y in English or the letter J in German. I offered the possibility that Meier, being German, might have used J to translate yudh, but Mystic7 has insisted that the letter was “J” in the original. So, that casts doubt on the story, because no human, (or even ET), wandering around first century Palestine could have had his name written with a J and no one from that era would have understood how to pronounce his name with some foreign character. Similarly, mystic7 tried to claim that JHWH was different than YHWH when discovered in the first century Talmud Jmmanuel, even though we have documentation of the Hebrew yodh he waw he dating back hundreds of years before that. And, of course, there is the truly odd claim that Jmmanuel was the real person mentioned in prophecies from six centuries earlier, even though Emmanuel, in Hebrew, begins with ayin, rather than yodh, and in Aramaic begins with a corresponding letter, not yudh.[/li]Actually participating in the debate would be to address the problems with your claims, not to dismiss the objections and whine that we were missing some big picture (when the big picture is painted with false colors.)
[li]In regards to the science of Vulcanism, you have pointed to a link that makes a spurious claim about magma chambers that has been refuted by a geophysicist who actually understand the topic. Rather than try to actually discuss the issue, you simply point to a silly claim that the ETs had super special powers to see things that we don’t and then, as a defense of your claim, reposted the same nonsense that I had already posted to laugh at them covering their butts.[/li][/ul]
Now, since I have taken you to task for your poor behavior, you have actually attempted two separate debate issues, one with Truman Burbank and one with runner pat. (You did a piss poor job of it, but at least you made the effort.) The rest of your posts, however, continue to be sneering little snippets of nonsense telling other posters that they are wrong while failing to demonstrate by evidence or logic where they have made any error.

You need to step up your game and actually engage others with facts and logic in your own words addressing their statements. Throwing citations into the thread only indicates that you know how to search your linked sites for keywords, not that you even understand what you are reading. When you spent multiple pages doing nothing but sneering without a single argument on your behalf, you took on the definite appearance of a troll who was only posting to keep the thread going.
If you want me to believe that you are not a troll, stop posting short, meaningless dismissals and actually engage the discussion.

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Are there professional trolls on this thread trying to discredit the Meier case? Yes, that’s highly likely. Many counter intelligence and disinformation agents are paid to hate the Meier material. Why would such energy be put into the Meier case if it could be easily be proven a fake?

I repeat, the Meier case cannot be absolutely proven nor can it be absolutely debunked. Anything short of this neutral position is nothing more than a belief.

If anyone wants to investigate a hoax I recommend the alien abduction phenomenon. That’s the one about the little grey aliens abducting humans, stealing their eggs and sperm, and breeding a hybrid race. This hoax was a coordinated disinformation/ deception campaign carried out initially by trolls and counter intelligence agents.