Black Panther movie (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Slightly misleading user name there.

:smiley:

I have either one or two objections to the rap in the trailer. The possible-objection is if they chose it just because the main character(s) is black. That doesn’t really make sense, because rap is fundamentally urban American music, and he’s not from urban America. But it’s also possible that that wasn’t there reason, and they just used it because it’s badass and they wanted something badass, and that’s fine. I don’t know what was going through their heads, so I don’t know if this is a valid objection or not.

The other objection has nothing to do with the fact that it’s rap or that the characters are black. The other objection is just that both the backing music and the movie parts of the trailer have words, and those words are interfering with each other. This would have been avoided if they had left out most of the dialog, or if they had used an instrumental.

…I’m pretty sure that James Gunn had a say in how the awesome Guardians trailer were cut, I’m pretty sure that the 80’s vibe and the graphics for the Thor trailer has “Taika Waititi” all over it, so I think the assumption that the music was chosen “because the main character was black” to not only be unreasonable, but pretty damn insulting. Do you really think that Ryan Coogler would roll over on something like that?

As for the rap having words: well, that what rap is. Take the words away from the rap and you don’t have rap. Take the words away, make it an instrumental…and you have a completely different trailer. A trailer that might not offend your sensibilities: but a trailer that doesn’t project the artistic vision the director has for this movie. Both the Guardians and the Thor trailers have the directors stamp all over them. If this trailer doesn’t work for you because of the music: then maybe the movie won’t work for you either.

When I said that, I had no idea who was involved in making the trailers. That’s part of why I said that I didn’t know what the reasoning was. Again, if that wasn’t the reasoning, then I’m not offended by it.

Yes, it’d be a different trailer. It’d be better. This trailer doesn’t project the director’s artistic vision, either, because the director’s artistic vision keeps on getting interrupted by some other guy. This has nothing to do with whether the movie will work for me, because the movie won’t (I presume) have the soundtrack butting in on dialog, like the trailer does.

Someone’s never seen Naked.

…what is this: Schrödinger’s reasoning? If they don’t do this incredibly offensive thing for these offensive reasons you won’t be offended by it? Well thanks for sharing this incredibly obvious thing.

Naaaaaaaah. It was awesome just as it was.

Was it getting interrupted as well during this trailer?

Or this one?
Because I'm not seeing much of a difference. Words...dialog...mixed together...is it just rappers you have problems understanding?

The soundtrack “butted in on the dialog” as much as any soundtrack butts into a trailer dialog. If it didn’t work for you then I’m sure the producers of the trailer will get over it. But the trailer worked perfectly fine for me.

Trailer totally works for me, and any song that didn’t come from a place of deep radicalism woulda worked. That particular bit, though…I dunno, really? The revolution will not be televised, to sell your multi-million dollar blockbuster? Okay.

I’m probably thinking waaaayyyy too much about it but…

Do you think that lyric could represent the hidden nature of Wakanda? There is a technological wonderland hidden right under our noses and we’re not seeing it. Wakanda is the revolution and it not being televised is us not noticing?

I’ve never done you harm that I know of. :slight_smile:

A holdover from my more militant atheist days. I’ve mellowed now. Mostly.

I have not. Got a link that won’t get me fired?

Of all the responses to my post that I’d anticipated… this was not one of them.

I can be a sexist, male, chauvinist pig, but it’s not my natural state, I have to work at it. :smiley:

and crude, shouldn’t forget that.

He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

Mmm…I’m not sure it’s so literal. I took it to be a super-hip self-reference to the actually laudable fact that this movie is both Afrocentric and African-American-Centric, calling on a famous bit of AA culture. For me it backfired, though, just reminded me of how it’s not revolutionary but a bit of profiteering done right.

Reviews are out of this world – as of this post, Rotten Tomatoes has 51 reviews, all positive (and mostly glowingly positive, from what I can see), at 100%:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_panther_2018

This will, without a doubt, be the most profitable Marvel movie to date and has a real chance of being the most all time.

Everyone is going to see it. The nerds who love this stuff, the movie-goers who are this far into it, the black crowd, men, women, kids…everyone.

How do you figure this one will be the most profitable, except that each one generally makes progressively more money?

Who knows about any movie’s profitability, given their hinky accounting?

I think the point is that it should make big box office, and be the Black Wonder Woman - i.e., showing the tentpole power of a movie featuring a non-white guy hero that celebrates this new hero’s identity and is also a great movie.

The New York Times loves it. Funny - they throw a little side-eye, mentioning that Black Panther was first cameo’d in a “forgettable Captain America: Civil War.”

ETA: and like Wonder Woman, the NYTimes points out the similarities - a young royal leaving their Eden-like homeland to engage the world and having to deal with a leadership role at home.

Does this one have Arsenio Hall and Darth Vader?

Hey, if T’Challa visits Queens, he can hang out with Peter Parker.

Because I think it will make every more money than future movies will. Save for the next 2 Avengers movies, I think it will make more than all previous marvel movies and will make more than future non-Avengers ones (The new Ant Man for example)