Blair vs Bush

Watching Bush and Blair talking at Camp David, I got the impression that Blair is by far the more intelligent of the two.

Example:

A reporter asked a question like “Why do you think you don’t have many allies with you.”

Bush responded with something like “We do have allies. I can get you a list!”.

Blair then spoke very intelligently about allies, and about the war in general, about Europe, about post war relationships, and he gave a quick review of why we are at war, and about what Saddam has done to his own people. He spoke for about 3 or 4 minutes continuously, and he just sounded like he really knows his shit.

What was your impression?

I agree, and I thought Bush sounded particularly foolish with that “we’ve got ally after ally after ally” comment…especially since he didn’t offer any names. It sounded too desperate. And he’d never survive on this board with appeals to invisible supporters like that. :slight_smile:

Blair demonstrated (as usual) that he’s fully aware of the ins and outs of the situation, its implications, its consequences, who’s on what side and what that means for everyone else, and what argument is best to use on what audience. He’s sharp and savvy and doesn’t rely on melodramatic rhetoric to get his point across.

I mean, look

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I see in Blair a humility and sensibility that I don’t in Bush, and I hope Bush learns a few lessons in personal diplomacy from today’s meetings.

I was watching and very much felt that Blair outshone Bush. Blair is a passionate, eloquent, articulate and open speaker. Bush comes across like an angry, not very smart substitute teacher who has no control of the class, but thinks he does. Regardless of personal feelings about either, I think that Blair is much better on camera, and does a better job of grabbing the audience.

Blair is so smooth compared to Bush.

He speaks off the cuff as if it’s easy for him.

The other day he impressed the Hell out of El Hubbo when he said, “One last question.” He then answered the question, paused, looked around, declared, “Right.” and walked off camera.

Just like the Monty Python guys. It was sweet.

Awww… I thought this thread was gonna be about some sort of no-holds-barred steel cage deathmatch. I have to admit, I’m a little dissapointed. :slight_smile:

But back on the topic, Bush is probably the worst public speaker who has been in the oval office that I can remember (admittedly, I don’t remember that many, having been born in 1979). Not only is he just… bad at public speaking, but the impression I get from his speaking is that:

  • He hasn’t the foggiest idea what he’s talking about
  • He has absolutely no sense whatsoever that he is the President of the United States, and that when he’s talking about ohh… killing thousands and thousands of people, HE SHOULD WIPE THAT DOPEY GRIN OFF HIS FACE!

Blair just has this air of… “cool” about him.

Blair could totally take Bush.

I have been saying this for some time, in fact since Bush was elected. During the days of Clinton we in the States woudl never see Blair. Clinton may have been a lot of lousy things, but he was a damn good good orator and excellent at speaking off the cuff. Once Bush came into power, though, I noticed American television would put a lot more of Blair on. The point seemed to be that when Bush and Blair were saying the same things, it came across as far more intelligent and sound if they showed Blair saying it.

Have you ever seen parliament televised? That is really similar to a steel cage match and Blair takes no prisioners. He kicks ass at spur of the moment debate. Bush would have his face chewed off if he had to do something similar.

As for the whole war, about a year ago I would often say it is like having two misbehaving children in a room. You say to them, “I can understand this kind of behavior from Bush, but Blair, you should know better.”

I could see Blair, slapping his ears across GWB face.

I wish he talked more then Bush, things might be a bit rosier.

[qiote]He speaks off the cuff as if it’s easy for him.
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Might be all the practice he gets. The British PM is routinely dragged before the Parliament and called to account by the members on all sorts of stuff. If you ever have a chance to watch this on the television, do so. It’s very impressive. And I mean that in the general case, not specifically Blair.

UK Parliamentary Debates:
A lot of people think the debates in the House of Commons were better before they allowed TV cameras in. As soon as they made that change, there was an almost immediate tendency to dumb down the speeches and go for sound bites that would be easy to report on news bulletins.

Re the OP:
I agree with the remarks made by most other people here, but beyond that I don’t think it’s fair for a foreigner to comment.

Blair, by a mile.

I saw the conference on TV, and I have to admit I cringed repeatedly when GWB opened his mouth. “As long as it takes. That’s all you need ta know.” Smirk, smirk, annoyed smirk.

Mr. Blair is eloquent, composed and intelligent. Or maybe he’s just fooling us with that posh accent. Either way, I like him.

Blair impresses me.

I love Tony Blair. And I actually find him better than Bush. Do I hate Bush… no.

But I found your example to be quite crude…and not really trustworthy, I do not think that is what bush said.

I think this is what samarm was referring to, and, sinful he got it right. I would not characterize his (samarm’s) example as crude given the following:

From the transcript (bolding mine, related to OP)

Q: They’re not Western allies. Why not?

THE PRESIDENT: We have plenty of Western allies. We’ve got – I mean, we can give you the list. Ally after ally after ally has stood with us and continues to stand with us. And we are extremely proud of their participation.

PRIME MINISTER BLAIR: Can I – in relation to our soldiers, the reason I used the language I did was because of the circumstances that we know.

And the reason why I think it is important to recognize the strength of our alliance – yes, there are countries that disagree with what we are doing. I mean, there’s no point in hiding it; there’s been a division. And you obviously have to take and go and ask those other countries why they’re not with us, and they will give you the reasons why they disagree. But I think what is important is to bear in mind two things. First of all, there are an immense number of countries that do agree with us. I mean, I hear people constantly say to me, Europe is against what you’re doing. That is not true. There is a part of Europe that is against what we are doing. There are many existing members of the European Union, and virtually all the new members of the European Union, that strongly support what we are doing. So there is a division, but we have many allies.

And the second point I’d make is this, that I understand why people hesitate before committing to conflict and to war. War is a brutal and a bloody business. But we are faced with the situation where Saddam Hussein has been given 12 years to disarm voluntarily of weapons of mass destruction, that the whole of the international community accepts is a threat, and he has not done so. Instead, what we have had is 12 years in which he has remained in power with these weapons intact and brutalized his own people.

Now, we felt we had come to the point where if we wanted to take a stand against what I believe to be the dominant security threat of our time – which is the combination of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of unstable, repressive states and terrorist groups – if we wanted to take a stand, then we had to act. And we went through the diplomatic process. We tried to make the diplomatic process work, but we weren’t able to do so.

And the other reason why I think it is important that we act, and why, indeed, we have many, many allies, is because people do know that this is a brutal regime. That is not the reason for us initiating this action – that is in relation to weapons of mass destruction. But it is a reason why, if we do so, as we are doing, we do so in the full knowledge that we are, indeed, going to bring a better future for the Iraqi people.

And if you just want one statistic – although statistics I’m afraid never have the same emotional appeal as pictures, but we don’t see these pictures of what has happened in Iraq in the past – but just one statistic: Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living. Now, that is why we’re acting.

And, yes, there are divisions in the international community. There are many people on our side, there are those that oppose us. But that is for us, I’m afraid –

Piss-poor grammer/sentence structure on my part - I appologize.

The transcript illustrates that samarm remembered correctly. My post refutes sinful’s assertion that samarm’s statement was untrustworthy. And crude is as crude does :smiley:

[sub]GAH!!! Sorry about the lowercase s’, Sinful![/sub]