If you had simply responded to me with a well-written post like that in the first place, instead of trying to paint me as someone who thinks mental illness sufferers, Parkinson’s patients, etc. are “scum”, we would have been short one flaming in this thread.
It is true that without links or any reference material it appears that you were trying to play “armchair psychotherapist” from afar. By presenting more details and expanding such as you have, I don’t argue at all that you have a good basis for saying that he is mentally ill.
As to the rest, however, all I see here is a description of how you arrived at the misinterpretation of my points. I see no retraction at all of your accusations and implications made towards me on the issue of mental illness sufferers, Parkinson’s patients, etc. That is most disappointing, and thus we will be continuing this.
Oh, big deal. This isn’t news. I’ve been following a bit about Fischer since I moved here to Hungary in 1998. He lived here for a while, but has sinced moved on to South-East Asia (the Philippines, was it?) Anyhow, he used to bathe at the Rudas Baths in Budapest. He was a recluse, but could be found if you really, really tried. Anyhow, he had an interview on Hungarian radio (which was reported in the international press) where he basically went on his fucking Zionist consipiracy rant. At one point, the interviewer said that he thought Bobby was Jewish. Fischer’s reply? “No I’m not. Come into the bathroom and I’ll prove it to you.”
The guy’s been a reclusive, paranoid nutjob for the last few decades, why anybody cares what he says now is totally beyond me.
But there IS an international conspiracy. Every thinking person has at least suspected it. Think about it, no one wants wars anymore, but they keep happening.
Is there any other country in the world where they publicize the opinions of 15-year-old children as NEWS ITEMS? This is seriously fucked up, and we’re so used to accepting this type of thing as legitimate news, that most of us don’t even realize there’s something wrong with it.
My local news had a story on the opinions of the local grade school children last week. They mimicked the opinions of their teachers and parents. I’m sure Church did the same. Her parents’ opinions aren’t any more newsworthy than her own.
Wars happen when conspiracies FAIL and people lack the imagination to conspire effectively. Most of your power monger types don’t conspire for war itself; they conspire for what they want, and if they can get it without war they will. But many of them lack the imagination or resources to do get it WITHOUT war. With successful conspiracies you have “coups” and "takeovers rather than wars.
I agree with you, but I think most respectable newspapers and TV news shows don’t give much shrift to celebrity opinions. That’s usually reserved for the tabloids (or the society pages) and not placed on the front page of the NYT. I’m not quite sure where the first link regarding Church comes from but the second comes from the New York Post, a paper with a long history of tabloidism.
Unfortunately we’re going to continually have to hear about celebrities’ opinions until people stop caring.
[sub]and unfortunately I get really pissed when I hear ingnorant comments like Churchs’s regardless of where they originate.[/sub]
My opening post did nothing to paint you in any particular light whatsoever. I simply expressed the opinion that rather than being scum, Bobby’s ravings might be mitigated by his apparent mental illness. It was flawed in content in that I didn’t reference any supporting data, but the tone was perfectly reasonable.
You didn’t like what I wrote, obviously. Would it have been too hard to post something along the lines of, say, “Until you cite some supporting evidence for your position that he’s ‘almost certainly suffering from clinical paranoia’, I’m sticking to my opinion that he’s just scum.”?
But no, you chose to change the tone by replying in a dismissive, sarcastic manner.
So I replied in kind. As I pointed out earlier, I took your post to indicate that even if Bobby was ill, you didn’t see that as mitigating your opinion of him as sucm. From the followups, I take it I was wrong, but I stand by interpreting that particular post in that manner. Feeling that it was unfair to judge people by actions they might truly not be able to control or affect, I returned the sarcasm with…
Seems you can dish it out, but can’t take it. You then went ballistic with…
I’m not dropping to that level. I provided some direction to some supporting evidence for my claim about Fischer’s mental stability, and how I came to intrept your remarks as I did.
From your further remarks, I’ll reverse my opinion and now assume that you do not necessarily hold mentally ill people responsible for any vile, rehensible behaviors their pathology might reasonablly be behind. An enlighted attitude I still find many people do not buy into.
But you, not me, chose to put this on discussion on the sarcastic, personal level. And you, not me, went apeshit when I replied in kind, so I feel no particular compulsion to apologize.
It’s neck and neck coming out of the second turn, and Anthracite edges forward. Here comes Speleophile on the outside, but Anthracite holds on. But Speleophile comes on strong, and breaks it wide open.
Bravo. You might even convince people, and it appears that BigDaddyO is one of the ones that fell for it, that you are on the high ground here.
But…
Your post about people with mental illnesses exhibiting “crazy” behavior didn’t stop where your quote stopped. Let’s see that again Frank, in slow-mo.
Your suppositions about how Anthracite would treat people were remarkably offensive. I think she was justified in her response. You got personal not “sarcastic”.
While we’re on the subject of “What you should have said to keep me from flaming you.” When Anthracite said, in her first reply to you
That was when you should have said “Oh, but I do know something about him. Enough to know that he is probably mentally ill. Here is some evidence.” You were capable of it, as you later proved. This was a simple case of miscommunication originally, you are both to blame for escalating it. When tempers start to flare, it is far more productive to step back and ask the person you’re getting angry at to clarify what they truly meant. It may leave you open for one more scathing flame if your interpretation was correct, but it won’t breed ill-feelings like this little tiff probably has.