"Bosch" - new series on Amazon

I’m always willing to try a new series, and i’m generally a fan of cop shows, so i sat down this morning and watched the first episode of Amazon’s new drama, “Bosch.” The show is based on a long-running and (by all accounts) very popular series of books, but i’ve never read them, so i come to the series without any hopes or expectations in that regard.

Apart from my general predisposition to watch cop dramas, i also like many of actors in the show. Titus Welliver, who plays Bosch, has always done good work, and there are also a couple of “Wire” alumni in the show: Jamie Hector and Lance Reddick. Bosch’s immediate superior is played by Amy Aquino, who i like a lot. Some of the more peripheral characters are also played by familiar faces: Mimi Rogers as a prosecutor, Alan Rosenberg as a coroner, Abraham Benrubi (Jerry from ER) as a defense attorney.

I must say that, after the first episode, my impression is that it will have to improve if i’m going to stick with it. Bosch is a bit too much of a stereotypical breaks-all-the-rules-but-gets-the-job-done-while-looking-out-for-the-rights-of-the-downtrodden detective. It hits all the predictable marks: problem with authority; reputation for not following departmental policy; a dark secret or two in his past; smooth with the women. Hell, he’s even struggling to give up smoking, which i predict will become a recurring theme.

Now, it could be that many of the problems here are first episode issues, where they try to cram too much set-up and backstory in. While Bosch and his partner do begin investigating a crime in the first episode, most of the 45 minutes is by-the-numbers character development. I’ll be interested to see how the series proceeds as they actually start working cases.

Some of the dialog is pretty damn hokey and cliched too, much of it stemming from the standard detective story tropes i touched on above. A scene in a bar, where Bosch is having a drink with a female cop after work, is full of cheesy lines.

I’ll give it at least a couple more episodes, but i’m not overly optimistic. My gold standard for LA cop shows (and for cop shows in general) is the Ann Biderman series “Southland,” and this is no “Southland,” at least not yet. They do, however, have one thing in common: they both make good use of LA location shots. You see different parts of the city, and get a feel for the place, which is nice.

Anyone else watched any episodes yet?

[I’ve tried to avoid spoilers in this post, and maybe we should try to keep any discussion of specific plot development in spoiler boxes, given that the series was released in one go, and different people will probably get through it at different speeds.]

I saw the pilot several months ago and voted for it. I seemed promising, but I’m a Connelly fan so I’m more inclined to be patient.

I wish it was available to a wider audience than Amazon Prime. Prime has an estimated 20 million members, which sounds like a healthy number (HBO has 30 million subscribers in the U.S.), but people don’t get prime just for the entertainment. They get it for free shipping and other perks.

Most of what you don’t like about Bosch -

 "Bosch is a bit too much of a stereotypical breaks-all-the-rules-but-gets-the-job-done-while-looking-out-for-the-rights-of-the-downtrodden detective. It hits all the predictable marks: problem with authority; reputation for not following departmental policy; a dark secret or two in his past; smooth with the women. Hell, he's even struggling to give up smoking, which i predict will become a recurring theme."

Is practically word for word right out of the books. Except for giving up smoking. I’m working my way through the novels and am up to Trunk Music, and he doesn’t show any interest in quitting so far.

I like the novels, but I’ve known people in real life like Bosch, and I can’t say I’d ever want to hang out with them. No matter what the subject, Bosch is the only one in the right. He can’t be polite if his life depended on it (so far, it hasn’t…). If there’s two ways to ask for something, one that’s polite and one that is guaranteed to piss off the askee, Bosch will pick the latter every time.

As for the show, I have only seen the pilot, but I agree. They packed so much into the one episode. Characters and bits were from several different novels - the Mimi Rogers character probably won’t end up like the same character in the books (I pictured Kathleen Turner while reading the novel…).

I hope the series is good.

We watched the first episode tonight and were pretty meh about it, despite liking the books. The acting was fine, but it was an awful big dose of formula.

Agreed. I’m also a fan of the books, but there’s a problem translating this character from the written word to an actor on the screen. In the books, Bosch is inside his own head much of the time, since it’s first person narrative. This actor seems a bit wooden, but perhaps he’ll warm to the role soon.

Amazon’s purpose, in producing series like this, may be to try to change this.

Anyway, I’m posting mostly just to subscribe to the thread. I’ve read and enjoyed a few of Connelly’s books, but haven’t gotten into his Bosch series.

Nitpick - the books are third person, but it’s an “intimate” third person - you get a lot Bosch’s thoughts.

OK, i’ve now watched three episodes. This is just one huge formula piece. It’s dull, dull, dull.

My eyes almost rolled out of my head when i saw (spoiler related to character lifestyle, not key plot details):[spoiler]Bosch’s amazing house in the hills overlooking the city. Yeah, yeah, money from a movie studio. Whatever. Yawn.

And just for kicks, his new girlfriend (16 years his junior, of course) is a cop, and lives in a beautiful big place right on the Venice canals. Yeah, yeah, used to be a lawyer in daddy’s law firm. Whatever. Yawn.[/spoiler]At least look like you’re trying, for god’s sake.

:smack: And I’m presently reading his latest.

Ah, I thought for a moment there that this was a series based on The Garden of Earthly Delights. How disappointing.
I mean, could you imagine?

The part about Bosch’s house is true to the novels, although it was never described to be that spectacular. It seems like a huge mistake to make his home look like he’s a Hollywood producer.

I’m pretty sure all of the Bosch novels are told in the third person, except for Lost Light and The Narrows. The first person format was interesting, but I was glad when he switched back.

Season 2 is now up on Amazon. I’m still liking it and the characters.

I don’t know how I missed this thread the first time around; but I’m a big Connelly fan, I’m a big fan of Titus Welliver ever since I saw him in Deadwood.

It probably goes without saying, but I really enjoyed the first season. They combined a few books; but that made it work for a whole season where you don’t want to wrap up a single book per episode.

I just binge watched season 2 over the weekend; and I’ll likely watch it again when my wife gets back in town.

That’s my biggest dislike. Not the fact of combining, but that they combined too much. Trying to shoehorn Echo Park and City of Bones together (and actually tie them together) makes the show too crowded. Each one by itself had enough for a series run. Plus, I think tying them together was a mistake.

Plus, I wish the fate of Brasher was the same as the book. Not that I wish her dead, but it fit the story. She wanted a quick fix, and it bit her. She took the wrong lesson from Bosch’s career. Having her live seems in a way to excuse what she did as not that big a deal, to me.

I definitely wold have been ok with them dropping one story line until another season. Regarding Brasher; I think she’s a good foil to have. She’s the bad kind of ambitious that causes problems.

Haven’t read the books, but I just watched both seasons over the weekend.

Overall rating: Fine, but not impressive

Bosch decides and accomplishes quiting smoking during a throw-away scene somewhere in the first season and never looks back. Other than that, and one mini-story involving a kidnapping, everything plays out with some plausibility, and I appreciate that fact. But the show never really finds any particular reason to exist. It’s not particularly moody, sexy, funny, serious, angsty, or anything else. Titus Welliver (the lead actor) looks good in the part, but doesn’t seem to have the acting chops to really sell anything deeper, intellectually or emotionally going on in his head. Really, about the only sort of fun thing about the show is to play “spot the actor more famous in another TV series”. It seems like they cast the show by selecting all the best character actors from other shows - either to play it safe or for name recognition.

That may sound negative, but it’s actually not a bad show. As said, it’s fine, just not impressive. There’s nothing breaking any new records or walls, but nothing about the show is horrible. If you need a new show and you’ve watched everything else, this will fill 20 hours of time with perfectly reasonable, professionally produced content.

And, if you have Amazon Prime, it’s free. Given that price differential between it and say Justified, it’s indefinable how much more entertainment you’re getting per the dollar.

Thread OP here.

My last post was made after watching three episodes. I persisted with the rest of the first season, but even by the end i didn’t really feel like it had improved. I didn’t even find the actual crime-solving parts of it that interesting. I’d probably be willing to go just about as far as Sage Rat: Fine, but not impressive.

I might give Season 2 a shot if i end up with a big hole in my viewing schedule, but that isn’t likely to happen for a while. There is so much good TV on now, as well as older series that i haven’t started, or that i’m catching up on.

I still have the whole Season 2 of Fargo recorded and waiting for me. I haven’t started the new series, Vinyl, yet. The Walking Dead still has a few episodes to go, we’re in the middle of Better Call Saul, and Fear the Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are both on the horizon. I’m also just about done with Season 1 of The Knick, and looking forward to starting Season 2. And none of that even touches on the comedy/political shows i watch with some level of regularity, such as Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and *Full Frontal *with Samantha Bee.

I watch too much TV already, and Bosch just doesn’t have what i’m looking for in a show, despite the fact that i’ve always liked Titus Welliver, and it has some great guest stars.

The view is certainly spectacular, but judging by what we can see, the house doesn’t look to be much bigger than many apartments. It looks like it’s a small kitchen/living room, a guest bedroom, and a master bedroom where neither bedroom is much bigger than the bed it contains.

It seems like the sort of place one might get if you had a million dollars to splurge with. I could see that sort of money coming out of a movie production deal.

It’s on the edge of plausibility, but that does seem to be the general status of everything in the show.

It’s not a slam-bang, action-filled wank fest like many of the cop procedurals out there, where every cop is right off the model runways, and people are shot by the dozens every season. Part of that is probably because Connelly is the executive producer of the series. He likes dialog and relationships, and to me the show is reminiscent of shows like Hill Street Blues (though I’ll grant that HSB had better actors).

I agree with this and it’s one of the reasons I like the show. I watched season one when it came out and just finished watching season two about an hour ago.

It’s not action-packed, the crimes and violence aren’t over-the-top, there’s a good mix of old-fashioned detective work and some tech stuff (cell phones, of course, GPS, searching through computers, etc.) without tech being the focus of the solution (“We found one hair with the follicle attached, and together with the computer-rendering of the witness’ description and facial-recognition software, we’ve identified the killer in record time without ever leaving the lab!!”), some good cops and some bad cops. Very much like Hill Street Blues.

Side note: I was watching the last episode of season two this morning and was FIVE MINUTES from the end, when my internet went out right when The Nash-Allen case was all wrapped up and Bosch is about to find out who put the kibosh on his mother’s murder investigation 40 years previous. Bosch was walking with Irving right after Irving’s son’s memorial plaque was put up. Bosch says to Irving, “‘I’ve done worse,’ that’s what you said to me in the hotel…” As soon as Bosch said those words, AT THAT MOMENT: no signal. :smack:

AT&T came out promptly, but it turned out to be a problem on the pole in the alley, so two crews of guys were here from noon until about 5 PM. Excellent prompt service-- no complaints there. And, in truth, it was good to be off the internet all afternoon–made great progress in my book club book. But as soon as the green lights were back on my modem, I navigated right to that moment and finished the episode. Whew.