A warning based on what? Based on the so-called jerk rule? I think prison rape jokes and death pool threads are in poor taste and jerkish. Can you define jerkish or whatever violation Starving Artist is guilty of please?
I’m not exactly sure what the term “rape culture” means, but I suspect there is a significant gap between that and “misogyny”, so lumping them together like that is not useful, IMO. But it’s not so much the “she was in the wrong place” that I think crosses the jerk line, it’s the “it was her fault” that does. “She was in the wrong place” could just be a factual statement without value judgement.
Can I define jerkish for you? Yeah, but I don’t really think that’s a productive use of my time.
You are the one calling for warnings and bannings. That impacts the whole board does it not?
ISTM Bone already did.
Why wouldn’t you just say “she shouldn’t have been shocked that guys would be there who would try to sexually assault her”?
I don’t understand why you would say “come on that way” or “coming on strong sexually”
I honestly don’t get that.
Woah woah WOAH I am NOT talking about killing anyone for their behavior!
How about encouraging illegal activity, seeing as how attempted rape is actually illegal?
The other line: “That you (Starving Artist) would trivialize this is terrible and I doubt many folks subscribe to this line of reasoning…” 
OHHHHHHhhhhhhhh
I think it is common to interpret them as being similar - “she was in the wrong place” is equated to “it was her fault”.
Making a bad decision, like going to a strange house with men you don’t know who get drunk, when you’re fifteen, is a bad decision. That’s almost tautological. Because, among other things, you might get assaulted. Was it wrong for someone to assault you? Hell yes. Does that make it not your fault when you make a bad decision? Especially, is it sexist to say “that was a bad decision”? I don’t think so.
Regards,
Shodan
I’ll say it. Starving Artist should feel like a bad person for his words. What other point to these discussions can there logically be? This isn’t an argument about which mountain is tallest where being in the wrong is a momentary blip. The desired result should be more than shutting down comments; a worthy outcome can be nothing less than a change in attitudes so that the entire spectrum of rape culture is found to be insupportable.
Saying that Ford should have been aware she was putting herself in a position to be assaulted is textbook blaming the victim. Going to a party does not make Ford or any other teen complicit in a rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault of any kind. The onus is always, 100% of the time, on the male not to do any of these things.
Until every male understands this, any remarks to the contrary do indeed make the problem worse. Making rape culture worse is not “going against the grain.” It is an offense against humanity that needs to be shouted down, loudly.
I don’t. But then, I’m not common.
Isn’t this the wrong forum to say that?
Any crime is on the criminal. It doesn’t make it a crime to advocate common sense precautions. I have children. I tell them not to take rides from strangers. Learning to avoid human predators is very important for survival.
Ideally, there wouldn’t be human predators. Until that day, risk mitigation is important.
There are certainly some disgusting sentiments in that thread, but is it a rape culture? Culture is the collective sentiments of a group of people. How many people in that thread are expressing the disgusting sentiments, versus how many are opposing those sentiments? I get the impression that the problem is a small number of people making a large number of posts.
We’re not talking just about the thread’s culture; we’re talking about elements of the culture in which the thread exists.
That bullshit again?
Whatever you are trying to communicate lacks clarity. If you want to offer a rebuttal use your words instead of an unclear and ultimately irrelevant link.
If your children DID get in a car with strangers and then got hurt in some way, would you, afterwards, say “I TOLD you not to take rides from stranger!” and then blame them?