Aging is fine and dandy. Nobody here is denying that older women can be sexy. That doesn’t mean that saggy tits are sexy. It’s fine if women with such breasts feel sexy, and in fact three cheers for them if they push the standards of beauty.
Fair. I’m a little too full of piss and vinegar these days, I’m afraid.
I think the difference between Kim and Susan is that Kim is quite small in the boob region. I know this for a fact, as I’ve seen her boobs about 8,000 times while watching Sex and the City. She, as they say, passes the pencil test. Susan, on the other hand, has quite big ones, based on how she displays them in dresses and things (I don’t think I’ve ever seen her topless).
So, Kim doesn’t really need a bra, IMHO, because her boobs don’t really go anywhere. They’re perky and high, and non-saggy.
Susan, (and Drew, for that matter) have a lot more boobage going on. Modern clothing isn’t really designed to deal with free-flowing boobs - boobs of that type tend to make things pull and sag and look not particularly nice, unless they are well supported. They also tend to make the gal look sort of short waisted (see the Drew pic - does girl HAVE a waist?) which doesn’t work that well for modern fashions either.
So, from a fashion perspective, I think Kim looks great. Her boobs look great, her dress looks great (the first one - the second is…unfortuante). Susan and Drew would benefit from some tape at the very least.
From a sexy perspective - well, I guess what you like is entirely up to you. Apparently in parts of Africa (among small tribes, if I recall) the ‘tube sock’ style of boob is considered pretty hot - honestly, I don’t recall where I read this but I did and I suppose if all the gals in your area have tube sock boobs you better start liking them or you’re not going to have much luck with the ladies.
I actually think Kim looks fabulous in that first picture. Her boobs aren’t low-slung or sagging, they’re just not propped up so she could rest her chin on them. I’m not seeing the ‘empty wallet’ thing at all there, although I have seen her look that way occasionally. Poor Susan appears to be having a wardrobe malfunction (and is it just me or does she look a bit… tipsy?). As for Drew, she doesn’t need a bra as much as she needs to stand up straight.
Honestly, I think the lesson of this thread should be ‘all boobs are good, but some dresses suck’.
I actually asked the question because Kim Cattrall and I have the same kind of breasts - but I’m not comfortable putting mine out there like she does. I think I look pretty good for my age, although I don’t dress like a kid anymore. I’m very conscious (or self-conscious) of how they look sans bra, and yet I’m wondering if perhaps I am worrying for nothing - that they really look fine and I should just stop being concerned about it. Then again, I feel that I look better, and therefore have more confidence, when the girls have some support (and I’m not a fan of the “obvious nipple” look, I prefer to keep them to myself).
I don’t wear “mom” jeans or holiday themed sweaters, but I’m also not wearing Daisy Dukes and letting my thong show above my low-slung jeans. I try to dress elegantly and appropriately, but still show that I’m a confident, sexy woman (there’s a difference between “sexy” and “sleazy”).
But I did ask the question in a flippant, mocking way, because it is not really a serious topic - perhaps that’s why it sounds like I’m being critical of older women. I’m really just being critical of myself, and wondering if they have the right idea, not me.
There are a few women who can do braless well, even young women. Most of us need a little help for my own aesthetic taste. A little tape or a self adhesive bra cup would help a lot.
I think Helen Mirren does it very well, too. She doesn’t try to look 24 or 34. And when you are 50 or 60 and you look like you are trying to look 24, you just look sad. That’s not aging gracefully - accepting your wrinkles and your age and working with it - that’s denial.
I think Kim Cattrall looks great.
I am built much as she is, do occasionally go bra-less, and if I had the occasion and the dress I might go for it–but I am not sure I could get away with it with my 55 yr old aging blotchy skin.
Helen Mirren looks superb.
The other photos of Streisand, Sarandon etc, not so much. The dresses simply do not fit correctly.
I had a fancy cocktail party to go to awhile back and I dressed rather conservatively.
I am slender, but not exactly taut and coltish. Whether I am dressing for myself or the general public, I’m just not sure my bony old knees or weathered chest needs to be on display.
What a booby culture we are. I think people forget that their primary function is to feed babies.
In my developing years it was all about Bridget and Marilyn. Then the feminists came along and burned their bras as a statement of liberation from having to appeal to males. Things almost got normal for people with developed mammary glands for a while. Then the pop divas started it all up again and I can’t buy groceries without having to stare down some PYT’s neckline. Hee. Distracting as heck. And checkout women are not pop divas. Please.
After Dad died Mom finally stopped wearing her bra in the care center where they lived. I was a little shocked at first as it seemed out of character. But she said she was more comfortable and if she didn’t mind I didn’t mind.
I suppose you could say she had the body she had earned after eighty-some years of service to others. It was an honest body.
Even though her silhouette had slipped it didn’t seem to stop the old goats from pursuing her to the point of annoyance. She was dying of cancer and having to fend off guys who were trying to relieve the glory of their youth. Does it ever end?
Yes, but the question is not “is Kim Catrall more comfortable” - the question is “does she look good?” And yes, we are a booby culture. We are also a hair culture, a fashion culture, a youth culture, a thin culture - all these feed into our ideas about what is aesthetically pleasing. There are certainly people who would find a women who looks every day of seventy, with thinning hair, overweight, with braless 'empty wallets" for breasts, dressed in a mu-mu attractive…and she can be perfectly comfortable in her own skin with great self esteem - but most people are going to think a younger woman, with a full head of hair, normal body weight, perky breasts is more attractive - especially if she skips the mu-mu.
Well, here’s my test and it seems to work pretty well:
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Are you comfortable with no bra? If not, there’s not point ‘cus you won’t look hot/smokin’/sexy - you’ll look self conscious and uncomfortable which is not hot.
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Do you pass the pencil test. That is (for anyone who doesn’t know) if you stand up straight with no top on (or bra) and hold a pencil under your boob, when you let go of the pencil does it drop to the ground? Does you’re boob NOT sag enough to hold the pencil in place?
If the answer to those two questions is ‘Yes’ then I think you’re primed to go braless and look smokin’, regardless of your age.
Pencil test is total bullshit. I couldn’t pass that when I was in 9th grade. No one with a C cup or larger can pass the test, no matter how perky their boobs are. But I agree with the overall sentiment, which is (unless I’m mistaken) if you’re uncomfortable without a bra and/or your tits sag, put a flippin’ bra on if you’re attempting to look good.
Risking the ‘pics or it didn’t happen’ posts that tend to pop up at this point, this just isn’t true.
My boobs are like torpedos. The point pretty well straight out from my body. Now, I can hunch over and hold a pencil but if I stand up straight it falls to the ground.
Well, I’m currently rather preggo so the above is probably no longer true (I haven’t tried, but I’m assuming my belly would hold the pencil in place regardless), however, before I got preggo it was true and I have big-ish boobs. It’s a family thing - my granny’s were like that too, even when she was a…granny. (Mom got sort of shortchanged in the boob department, at least as far as that goes).
Bullshit unless they’re small.
What is your definition of ‘saggy tits’ though? **NSFW **if Kim’s boobs are what you call ‘saggy’ (compared to ‘perky’ I suppose) then… well, I consider you illogical.
‘Sagging’ is NSFW breast ptosis in medical (more like plastic-surgical) terms. Kim Cattrall doesn’t have it.
Tit fight!
Animated .gif, or it’s bullshit.
I just checked - the pencil still drops right out despite the big belly.
They’re not small.
Actually, I think that Astro posted quite a while ago with a young lady with boobs quite a bit like mine (and no, I am STILL not posting pics) 'cus they were unusual. However, I have no idea how to search for it.
MeanOldLady, if you want to see lots of examples of large, unusually firm and perky, natural boobs which would pass the ‘pencil test’, just Google 50s and 60s porn.
This is exactly right. They still exist, they’re just not fashionable anymore so you don’t see them out and about as much.
I’m not saying large tits can’t be perky; I’m saying they don’t stick straight out. They will sit up, but some part of the boob will touch your rib cage enough so that it can trap a pencil. If you can find me boobs D or larger, fuck I’ll even go down to C, that are *real *and stick straight out enough that they can’t hold a pencil, I swear to young Jesus, I will mail you $500, and will eat my hat.