Brad and Angelina to split

[MitzeKatze]

I was away from here for about 24 hours and the course of discussion has shifted, but I just wanted to wrap up this part of things so that it didn’t seem that I was ignoring you.

@sulamith

And truly, I am mainly only this vested in it because I am just floored that the likes of CNN, msnbc, The Today Show, etc…all reported this rumor as fact, something that originated with News of the World, for crying out loud.

You have a point there, but as far as this thread goes it was reported that it was reported and where…we were all shocked or not at the news, then it was discovered/reported that it was refuted, and that was that. The conversation shifted and no one was adamantly holding on to the rumor nor were they advancing it. So while I understand your shock and horror that legitimate news services would report rumors…that really has/had no place in this particular discussion as no one was holding fast to the rumor simply because it has been report by someplace usually considered credible (and I believe all those news outlets reported it as “sourced” by the article in the tabloid).

True, nobody said “slut” but it was said that she has no morals, etc… I just think its not always fair to blame the woman.

Lacking morals, or not sharing the morals of others does not equate to “slut”. In the Brangelina aspect, they both displayed a lack of ethics and morals as far as I am concerned and no one that I have read in this thread is “blaming the woman” for anything in particular. I’d say they both had a hand in breaking up Brad’s previous marriage, but Brad is more guilty than Angelina because she is not the one who made the commitment. He was the one who was technically “cheating” she was just aiding and abetting that. That however does not give her any claim of superiority as far as I am concerned…

What has she done that is wild and outrageous in the last five years?

As far as I know five years ago (or so) she and Brad had an affair while he was married to another woman, which she went into willing and knowing that he was married. Anything else she has done is irrelevant. That alone makes me have little respect for her (and for anyone else who would knowingly do the same). It doesn’t make her evil or the worst person ever or anything like that, it just makes me not like her very much.

In the interest of full disclosure I have dated married men- twice. The first time I did not know he was married and as soon as I found out (before the relationship became physical) I stopped seeing him, the second time I insisted that he end the relationship with his wife before I would even consider dating him and our first date did not happen until the divorce papers were filed. I am a big fan of integrity and I like and respect those who share my values. Angelina does not seem to- or since I do not know her I should say that her public persona seems greatly lacking in integrity and the values that I hold.

I think the yellow press has tapped into a nerve where American women are concerned, and for some reason throwing crap all over Angelina Jolie sells. People want to read negative things about her because there is this idea that she deserves to suffer for all eternity I guess. As long as it sells, they’ll keep writing it. I just won’t be buying it.

Maybe, but no one was discussing the press, their motives or their readership. This thread is (was) specifically about Brad and Angelina splitting up. It wasn’t true, now we know that. That we may have our own opinions on whether they will (and I am sure they will soon) or whether we think they should has nothing to do with the press, yellow or otherwise.

I was just using those other examples to back up my point that there is a double standard going on.

Maybe there is but not here. And off topic about, if you think Jennifer Aniston fares any better in the rumors/press/gossip or that she is at all liked or adored compared to Angelina, you really should take a look at Perez Hilton’s blog or similar outlets…she is equally despised if not more so. As far as this thread however…no double standards that I see.

As for the actual subject of the thread, it seems Brad and Angelina are sorta damed of they do and damned if they don’t. If they go out, they are accused of “putting on a show” or “faking their realtionship”, so they must be breaking up. If they are not seen, they are breaking up. If one goes somewhere without the other, they are breaking up. It is crazy, especially when you consider that other couples are not held to this level of scrutiny. I think even if they had sex in the street there would still be a certain group who would say they aren’t together. Meh.

It’s just gossip, it what happens when one is in the spotlight. These two are there by choice (by seeking out the celebrity that they have) and I am sure it doesn’t at all affect their decision to stay together or to split up. I don’t see that they are “damned” at all, unless you mean that people are going to talk and spread rumors no matter what they do. And if that is the case, then yes, that’s what happens when you achieve that level of notoriety- people will talk, they will spread (mostly false) rumors, and they will come up with their own version of events. If Brad and Angelina couldn’t deal with that then they would step away.

[sulamith]

Hi MitzeKatze,
I was just signing off and saw you had posted. I enjoy your opinions and appreciate your forthrightness. I can agree to disagree, the debate is what makes these forums entertaining.

And yeah, I looked at Perez Hilton, and Dlisted and they are both pretty nasty. I went to this British site once called Female first and felt like I wanted to shower after I left. At least here people with different opinions can exchange ideas in an intelligent way.

And your last statement, that if they couldn’t deal with it then they should step away, yes, I agree. The thing that keeps me interested in them is that they DO seem to be able to handle it. I talked about it in my reply to Starving Artist above. I think they are fine and will be together a long time because they have chosen not to play the game.

[MitzeKatze]

@MitzeKatze

In the interest of full disclosure I have dated married men- twice. The first time I did not know he was married and as soon as I found out (before the relationship became physical) I stopped seeing him, the second time I insisted that he end the relationship with his wife before I would even consider dating him and our first date did not happen until the divorce papers were filed. I am a big fan of integrity and I like and respect those who share my values. Angelina does not seem to- or since I do not know her I should say that her public persona seems greatly lacking in integrity and the values that I hold.

It doesn’t make a difference to my post, but I was rereading this and realized that one sentence came out wrong…and could be totally misinterpreted so I just want to re-phrase and clear up any possible misunderstanding related to that.

“…the second time I insisted that he end the relationship with his wife before I would even consider dating him and our first date did not happen until the divorce papers were filed.”

I did not insist that he end his relationship…I insisted that I would not consider dating him unless/until his relationship had ended. I was not in any way responsible or a catalyst for that divorce. My only role was that I declined any and all invitations to date until I knew the relationship was over and it could not be considered “cheating” on his wife by any reasonable definition.

To put this back toward the topic, if Brad had filed for divorce or officially separated before his first “date” with Angelina then a lot of people’s sympathies would probably swing the other direction, and many of us who were sad for Jennifer Aniston wouldn’t have been…as much any way.

[sulamith]

Ok, I can see where you are coming from and the feelings that have shaped your opinion on it, so no harm, no foul. I can dig it.

However, I cannot feel that way myself because I just don’t have any proof that they did “date” before he formally separated. Brad & Jen separated in early Jan 05 and he and Angie were snapped together in their first non-work-related setting (on the beach in Africa) in April. The divorce had been filed in March.

I mean sure, they had spent alot of time together over that previous year (with a few months off for him to shoot Oceans 12 and her to promote Alexander and do some UN work) but you can’t count working together as dating. The things they were doing together, they were being paid to do…they just fell in love while doing them. Scandalous I know, but sometimes it happens that way. I just really don’t think anything was consumated until the legal stuff had been taken care of.

My assumption comes from knowing how much Angelina has spoken about Maddox being her #1 priority and she said she would never bring a man around him that wasn’t going to be there for good. Her behavior pre and post Maddox is like night and day, so that leads me to think she may have broken with previous patterns and made Brad wait. That could be why he supposedly was growling like a lion and she was screaming in what hotel employees thought was pain once they finally did get it on in Africa. They story was that they were making so much noise the staff thought they were hurting each other. :eek: It could all be bullshit but it makes for a good story. I got this information from another blog called justjared.com where some fans had compiled a timeline. Even I don’t have the time to do that much research.

Anyhoo, today is tabloid Wednesday when all the new ones come out, and since Brangelina sells, Brangelina is all over all of them. Now they are saying that the trip to the lawyer’s office was because they were getting a pre-nup. Like any reputable law firm that is lucky enough to have celebrity clients is going to risk their livlihood by telling this to Star magazine. Truth is, none of them knows jack about what Brad and Angelina may or may not be doing.

[MitzeKatze]

@sulamith

Now they are saying that the trip to the lawyer’s office was because they were getting a pre-nup.

Just like we discussed in posts #10 and #11. Maybe the tabloids are getting their info from the Dope.

Like any reputable law firm that is lucky enough to have celebrity clients is going to risk their livlihood by telling this to Star magazine. Truth is, none of them knows jack about what Brad and Angelina may or may not be doing.

The problem isn’t necessarily with the firm, but a lot of people are involved that you wouldn’t normally think about that suddenly become important and informants when the key players are as interesting to the public (and the tabloids) as Brangelina are. I am sure the attorneys did not disclose this nor the paralegals etc. but who’s to say a cleaning person didn’t come across the documents and spill the details or a visitor (or another client) didn’t overhear some of the negotiations through a door left ajar, or any number of cases where the tabloids’ source might actually have the correct information.

I don’t think we should believe any of it and as I said earlier all celebrity gossip should be treated as such (and taken with a grain or two of salt) but it could just as easily be true (if boring;)) even without the law firm’s involvement or risk.