Brainglutton, I am so tired of your BS

I’m awful sick of leftists who loudly declare that America is a has-been, or that it’s weak, or that it can’t succeed - who then demand that America attempts the actually impossible with a 100% success rate and that it must come off perfectly immediately, with no downsides at all. I consider myself something of a cynic, and even I’m tired of the leftist dogma of relative suckiness, whereby they’ve planted a strange lodestone in the culture, religion, and society of the west, and the closer anything is to it the more hideously evil/competant it is and the goofier/incompetent it is.

America is a good country, a strong country, and a beacon of hope in the world. It doesn’t have to be perfect; it can and is always improving. You are not helping. In fact, your brand of cynicism, in which everything American (except people who agree America is evil, I suppose) is always as bad as it can be and getting worse, is patently ridiculous. I’m despise Fred Phelps types or machine politicians like the older Republicans. That doesn’t mean your brand of politics has any value. You don’t build up. You don’t even criticize because you want things better. It’s simply blind dogma that America is bad, anything done in America is bad, and anything vaguely American is bad. America is always becoming a theocracy, a dictatorship, a fascist state, a land of monsters and nightmares and oppression. Funny how these things are always coming to America but actually land somewhere else?

Guess what? Europe and Canada don’t actually have awesome health care. Their system sare screwed up as badly as ours - worse, if you count in the possibility for improvement and the opportunities for new medical technology to develop. There’s a reason why elites around the world come to the U. S. of A. for treatment. And yeah, the poor don’t get as good a care as they might. So what? You’re judging by a standard which arbitrarily includes only what you want it to include. You don’t want to admit that most technologies start out for then elite and move outward as costs come down. You don’t want to admit that the American system, for all its faults, actually gives people what they want - the very best they can get.

Because that would mean not pretending that the world would become perfect if we just tossed everything out the window to follow Brainglutton. That evil men do evil things. There aren’t enough resources for everything all the time, and pretty commonly comes down to hard choices, which you seem to pretend don’t exist, or that the choices are all Bush’s fault, or that other countries don’thave hard choices because they’re not evil Amerikkka.

Guess what? I don’t entirely know how to “perfect” American health care. I’ve got some ideas, and they’d probably help. But costs will continue to rise because people want more and more and more and will never accept being told “no.” So they pay. Supply and demand are absolute laws everywhere, and legislating them away only makes their impact more painful. And this holds true in Britain, France, Germany and Canada.

Guess what? Diplomacy always and everywhere involves dealing with people you don’t like. I don’t like the U.N. It’s a squatting disaster, which is spiralling down the tubes as third-rate kleptocracies find they can excercise moral authority (somehow) over western bureaucrats and agencies. It’s also useful, and because we need forums it remains. I don’t like Musharraf that much. I think the Japanese and the Turks still won’t fully admit crimes committed in living memory in the hopes that everyone will soon forget as the victims die off. We deal with them anyway. And amazingly, BG, despite your continuing belief that every peice of bad news is a disaster, we mostly dealwith it promptly and effectively. Your useless chick-littleism is the most fruitless act of talk in history, the depressing ramblings of a fool who insists on war, perstilence, famine, and death out of sheer morbid hatred of everything of value in the world, of everything not controlled by a Central Party Agency of some sort, and of everything rational human beings might actually want.

In short, you shit on human freedom and the fact people don’t do what you like. You can’t stand that people want things you don’t, and like the impotent wanna-be-dictator you are, constantly demand more power over people’s actions.
Oh yeah, finally…

…in every friggin thread you make, you have the obnoxious habit of posting some long, rambling, hard-left source as if it were Holy Writ (it might be to you), then demanding other people actually write something substansive. You never respond to the meat of anyone’s post, instead quibbling over minor side issues or trivialities in roder to avoid actually talking with people.

Assbitch. ( :wink: )

Nice rant. I don’t think I agree with you on the health care issue, but I agree with the “America is a good country, a strong country, and a beacon of hope in the world. It doesn’t have to be perfect; it can and is always improving.”

I will add that I think we took a terrible detour in the improvement area since January of 2001.

I like your frank appraisal of the UN and what it has become and why we need to tolerate it.

Jim

I’ll agree with the obnoxious habit of quoting a long exhaustive super-liberal source, and not responding to posts that matter.

That’s really fucking irritating, Brainglutton. One sentence to summarize 8 pages (whether the source is bullshit or not, but it usually is) followed by half a paragraph of snark isn’t the way to start a discussion. Knock it off.

A fine pitting, I agree with a lot of it in concept even when it isn’t thrown towards BrainGlutton. :stuck_out_tongue:

I recently read The New Century written by David Halberstam in 1991.
Thought it presented some pretty convincing arguments about what we should have learned in the decades since WWII, and how we had pissed away many advantages we historically enjoyed.
I found it stunning to consider the extent to which in the following 16 years we have continued making the same mistakes - if anything - ramping up the pace.

Yeah, the US is a fine place. But we’re not divinely entitled to an easy life at the top of the heap, and we can’t just assume the rest of the world will keep paying the premiums to allow us to maintain our level of consumption.

Huh? Got any actual demonstration of this?

So you don’t like the guy’s opinions. Big deal. That’s why we have GD, for an exchange of opinions on these sorts of things.

No, I’m not standing for this. It’s gone this far, and must be nipped in the bud:

“Assbitch” is a fucking rubbish insult.

There, I said it. And yeah, a link or two (or just a quote) would’ve been nice. Something to get the old teeth into, eh?

Guess what? Recognizing a problem is the first step in solving it. People like BG and other malcontents and whiners, as you would call them, are the true patriots.

Since you failed to link to any particularly heinous entries by Brainglutton, I’m not sure what your problem is. He isn’t one of the more notable “almost trolls.”

Wait a minute–you like the “younger” Republicans? (Perhaps that’s your problem.)

:sigh: So many Straw Men, so little time.

I look forward to links to posts where he declared America to be a weak has-been.

Thank you.

I also believe that ** Brainglutton** has also stopped beating his wife before posting a thread here.

I think of the US in much the same way as I think of the stock market. Yes, the general trend is upward, but there will be periods of stagnation and a fair number of downtrends (some of them precipitous). And, as a lefty, I will be the first to admit that not all of the downtrends were in a Republican administration. But when there is corruption and incompetence in the marketplace, it is imperative to identify it and to take care of it swiftly and completely; not only to address impropriety, but even the perception of impropriety.

In my opinion, the current administration is the equivalent of the events that shaped the Great Depression. They have turned away from the very ideals that made this country great, that made it a beacon of hope. If BrainGlutton or anyone else is cynical about the future of this country, I would not agree, but I share his cynicism as to current policies.

Dude, I was refering to people like BG, not pseudo-libertarian faux-liberal godnobbing goofballs.

Here I was, all set to think that maybe you had something of a point, and then you have to go and make me fall off my chair laughing.

I don’t recall BrainGlutton being that bad (and there are other posters that I would say are). But I do like the middle ground between “America is fantastic, bitches!” and “West = Suck”, even if it does tend more towards the former than I would like. And i’m pretty much with you on the U.N…

But the next person to use “shit on human freedom” who isn’t talking about, you know, dictators, bastardly legislators, or the like will… well, nothing. But i’ll be annoyed! I may even boo you.

Do you believe any country does anything better than America? Judging by your bollocks about health care it seems unlikely.

Rather seems like you don’t want to admit that, either.

Obviously, only the people you like are the true patriots.

Now who’s throwing around straw men?