Breaking Bad 5.15 "Granite State" 9/22/13

On the upside, Marie’s klepto has gone into overdrive without Hank around and she’s stolen back the $70 million from the Nazis.

In Walt’s mind she’s guilty of cutting him out

Nothing. I think you’re grasping at straws here. There’s no thoughtful pause. There’s not even a beat between the repetition.
It’s clearly repeated for emphasis with the second iteration of “you” and “Elliott” said through gnashed teeth in a whispered shout.

They were on vacation with her father. And my hypothetical was that Walt was angry at Gretchen because of the way she talked about him behind his back, something he’d have found out (hypothetically) from her father.

I could have bought that Walt had internet at the cabin with a satellite dish, or more remotely had a smartphone and the bar had free wi-fi, and while keeping tabs on the developments in Albuquerque, found the Gray Matter interview. You’re right that the clichéd contrivance of flipping through TV channels at just the right time is annoying.

How do the police/DEA even know about Walt’s activities? What evidence do they really have? Just what Marie and Skyler have told them? They have no evidence but have seized the White house, even though Saul doubted they would be able to?

They have evidence Walt kidnapped Holly, and the recorded confession Walt left is very vague, he could have been ranting about anything including the car wash.

They have no physical evidence, no money, no meth, no guns, no blood etc.

My guess is that if two DEA agents were not missing, then Walt would not be the subject of a nationwide manhunt. The authorities would be looking into it, of course, but not at that level of intensity. Even if they capture Walt right now, I don’t see that there’s much they could hold him on. Saul could probably have him out in a flash.

I’m trying to figure out a way the cops could possibly locate and raid the Nazis’ compound, but I’m drawing a blank. At this point, they don’t even know the Nazis are involved. The only scenario that I can possibly think of is that they capture Lydia and squeeze her for all of about 12 seconds before she crumbles and spills the beans.

Reminds me of the movie Places In the Heart, where at the end we see some of the killed characters taking communion with the living.

Yes, there’s more to GMs relationship with Walt than going on Charlie Rose to distance themselves from Heisenburg, so just as Walt tried to keep Hank quiet by making that video tape, he just might be more successful in somehow blackmailing the Scwartzes, because there’s something about these two that don’t seem as honorable as Hank. Whatever the falling out was about, it seems to me Walt can twist it just enough to make the shareholders @GM nervous because any association with a chemical drug kingpin will drop the stock like a stone. All he has to do is turn what they said on Charlie Rose on it’s ear. Walt may be clever enough to retrieve legitimate gains for his family, so they never have to live in fear of the consequences of breaking bad.

I don’t think you can even call that a kidnapping. He took his own child at a time when he and Skyler were not even separated. Or divorced. And thus there was no court order giving custody to the mother, no court order for him to stay away from Holly. IANAL, but it seems to me that legally, he had every right to take her.

Gray Matter?!? WTF

I agree with all of this (except the part about its not playing a part in the finale, since it clearly will). There are a lot of us feeling baffled by this being thrown into the mix so late in the game.

There was for a long time a vocal minority of fans clamouring for this “burning mystery” to be revisited, but I always saw it as just something that provided a backstory and was also perhaps something they early on planned to be delved into further but dropped when they found they had more than enough on their plates.

In any event, by the time we got to only two episodes left and it hadn’t been revisited (or, really, barely more than one since it was at the end of the penultimate ep), I was positive they wouldn’t go back into it without having laid any groundwork. Then, seemingly randomly, they did. So I was with everyone who scratched their heads.

Then I read this, and it became clear. No need to try to make sense of it in any conventional way: turns out they went back to “resolve” the Gray Matter storyline at the last moment simply to honour the wishes of a dying boy, playing “Make-a-Wish” Foundation on a grand scale:

At the risk of sounding heartless, I’m more than a tad annoyed by this. I don’t think a TV show that millions of avid fans love, and which is widely regarded as a great work of art, should leave its plotting to a random teenager, no matter what a great kid he was and how sad his passing. (Not to mention that, ironically, the kid who wanted to know never found out the information he wanted, anyway.) It’s too important! Does that make me a bad person, to be dismayed by this?

I think it would be worse than that, sadly. Seinfeld had already tailed off significantly in quality before that point. This would be an incredibly epic nosedive after the brilliance we saw just ten days ago (“Ozymandias”, obv.). Someone on Sepinwall’s blog put it well, *before *this episode, when they were scoffing at a prediction that Gray Matter would come back into play. Something like (paraphrasing from memory) “if that happens, it will be the all time case of a show jumping the shark just when it is about to stick the landing”.

FFS.

But the moment that he was captured that plan vaporized. So how did he protect Andrea and Brock, whose photo he has been staring at while held captive? Did he, for the love of anything, suck it up and say, “You got me.”

No. He taunts the “dead eyed piece of shit” who shot a kid, “Boom, like it was nothing,” and his family by threatening to never cook again.

I do want to see Jesse’s plot resolved very badly.

But I can also see a good story being told which involves Walt revisiting the Grey Matter thing. In such a case, though, it should turn out that the “slight” which set him off years ago was truly minor, absolutely not worth thinking about much less obsessing about. It should expose Walt for the hollow shell of a man he’s become, the seed of which was there all along.

I could take or leave a Grey Matter resolution but I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing at all.

Yeah, that was odd I agree.

The impression I got was that Jesse had hit rock bottom at that moment. He had completely given up on everything and just wanted to die. I think that, at the moment, he wasn’t thinking of anyone else at all.

Yeah, I think that expecting a person that’s been imprisoned and tortured to think everything through at all times is a little much.

They know Walt has a link to the Aryan Brotherhood, but I don’t think they would know the AB is running his business now.

This is blackmail. You can’t have “legitimate gains” from blackmail. It’s just as illegal as making drugs.

It was a kidnapping. There was an Amber Alert.

Hoo boy.

The show isn’t that important, and it doesn’t make you a bad person - but I do think you’ve jumped to some conclusions. The kid says that was something he was curious about and it led them to reintroduce that element. They used something he suggested. They didn’t make him showrunner and they didn’t remake the entire series to suit him. They didn’t even meet him until after the first half of this season had aired, so at least the broad outlines of these last eight episodes were probably done already.

“My husband has taken off with our daughter” is one thing. “My husband, just who just threatened our family with a knife, has most likely just committed a couple of murders, and is also a meth kingpin, has taken off with our daughter” is another.

Many of the real-life Amber Alerts I’ve heard are abductions by estranged family members. And I’ve noticed that many times, the kid pictured on the side of the milk carton has the same last name as the named abductor. In other words, in many of those cases, it’s also a family member doing the abducting.

I’d imagine many of those times it was non-custodial parent who abducted the child.

I don’t get fans that want to discuss all the legal minutiae of every little thing that happens on this show. Do you really think that’s what the plot is going to hinge on? That the final scene of the final episode will be Walt driving off into the sunset with his barrels after a mistrial because Hank did not read him his miranda rights off a fucking card? Or because him taking Holly was not technically kidnapping, so he gets a get-out-of-jail free card? That’s not what this show is about, and yet you see people on the boards thinking they know how it’s going to end because they figured out that Hank’s evidence is not admissible in court.

I agree with you to a point. But the creators and writers have made such an effort to leave no stone unturned that they sorted of invited fans to discuss the minutiae. Also, partially it’s discussed for something to do while we wait for the finale.