I’m still waiting for a King Tibby. The closest I know is Tiberius Caesar Augustus, the second Roman emperor. I wonder if his friends called him Tibby?
William certainly. His Dad is almost 74. But William is only 40 so most of us on this board probably won’t see George ascend.
When Liz was a child, the end of Victoria’s reign was recent memory.
Someone online pointed out that the Queen reigned for about 30% of U.S. history.
You know, I can’t see fat Henry doing that. More like “off with their heads!”
Which is why Elizabeth was so awesome.
Yes, it’s an automatic change. Just like the Courts of Queen’s Bench are now the Courts of King Bench (update your precedents!).
I can send you an article about it. Will e-mail it.
I see that Wikipedia has already declared William as Duke of Cornwall.
She was on the cover of Time magazine in 1929.
That’s because the title of Duke of Cornwall is automatically tied to the heir apparent to the British Crown, which William now is. Unlike the Prince of Wales, to which one must be appointed by the monarch.
Incidentally, Elizabeth was never Duchess of Cornwall, nor Princess of Wales: She was never heiress apparent, only heiress presumptive, because up to the moment of her accession she could have been trumped in the line of succession by a newborn baby brother.
And for those of us in Canada, almost 50% of our history, which is a remarkable amount.
The Duchy of Cornwall has a unique succession in the English peerage. For most peerages held by the heir apparent, they merge with the Crown when he succeeds, and then he can decide if and when he will re-issue them to his heir. That’s how the Prince of Wales works. William will only be Prince of Wales when Charles makes him so.
The Duchy of Cornwall is different; it’s always held by the eldest son of the monarch, so Charles ceased to be Duke of Cornwall on his accession, and William became Duke of Cornwall. No other English peerage works that way.
I believe the Duchy of Cornwall provides quite a bit of income, so William now has no concerns for money (not that he had much concern before). I don’t think much if anything automatically goes to his brother, which perhaps was a reason for him to leave the UK and seek employment elsewhere.
Does the title of Prince of Wales come with money? What happens to the income when there is no Prince of Wales?
William took Charles’s titles as Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Earl of Chester. He didn’t get Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, and Baron Greenwich. The question remains as to whether Charles will give Edward the Dukedom of Edinburgh.
The plan for the next few days:
Fri 9th September
- A national minute of silence
- Gun salutes at Hyde Park and at Tower Hill
Saturday 10th September
NOTE: May actually be brought forward to Friday, we’ll find out tomorrow
- Accession Council will meet at St James’s Palace to proclaim King Charles III
- The proclamation will be read at St James’s Palace and later at the Royal Exchange in the City of London . It is customary for the public to hail “the Queen is dead, long live the King!” if they attend the reading.
- Parliament meets to share condolences to the Queen and swear allegiance to the new King
Sunday 11th September
- The King will receive the motion of condolence at Westminster Hall
- The King will depart on a tour of the UK to visit the nations and devolved parliaments/assemblies
Next Week
- The Queen’s body will be transported from Edinburgh to London on the Royal train
- There will be a procession to carry the Queen’s coffin from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of Westminster - people expected to line the route. There will be a short service by The Archbishop of Canterbury.
- The Queen will lie in state in Westminster Hall for several days during which time the public can visit to pay respects
Monday September 19th
Most likely day of the Queen’s state funeral at Westminster Abbey - the first since Churchill’s in 1965. This will be a major event and much larger in scale than Princess Diana’s or Prince Philip’s.
It’s expected many Heads of State and Government from around the world will attend, including all of those from the Realms and most of the Commonwealth, European leaders and European Royal families, and President Biden is likely to attend. Millions of people will come to London to attend and this will be a national bank holiday where most shops and businesses close.
The Coronation is probably not likely to be held until Spring or later next year. I would guess hotel rooms will be tough to find.
If one were going strictly by the father’s line, Charles would be a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg - the Battenbergs/Mountbattens were Philip’s mother’s family.
The late queen will have made a will and I doubt that Harry will be disinherited.
I read someplace that the Queen Mother left something to Harry specifically because he doesn’t get anything automatically.
My hunch is that it has significance that’s never been stated. His grandmother was a bit of sentimental Jacobite - she privately paid for the restoration of the Stuart monuments in Rome - and so one wonders how far she influenced the choice of his name. It may be that he feels that he has finally been able to fulfil her wish.
At least on paper, their parents don’t even want them to use the courtesy titles they have as children of a duke. And it wouldn’t surprise if the King issued new letters patent in the coming months to formalize his plans for a “downsized” royal house. Indeed Prince Harry might not be a prince much longer.
They’re gonna have to scale down the whole operation now. Ride bicycles like the Dutch monarchs instead of horse-drawn carriages. The change is long overdue; it was in stasis as long as ER lasted, since she was so good at what she did.
Usually the coronation takes at least a year to plan, but if they rush King Charles III’s a bit it could be held in June of 2023, exactly 70 years after his mother’s.