Another – Warning: Highly offensive images of Dutch child pornography from Jan van Eyck, the Irredeemable.
Of course, we all know that breastfeeding is evil. Conferring immunities onto children takes food out of the mouths of pediatricians, and neglecting to purchase Gerber formula is simply Un-American. This is simply an extension of those Basic Godly Truths, Ahh-main!
Not to mention that nudity in any form is offensive beyond belief, especially feminine nudity. What cultures have embraced nudity and prospered, I ask you! What? None, I say! None, especially none in the Mediterranean between Spain and Turkey!
I hope they sue Eckert(the photo finishing company that made the initial allegation) for bringing forth this flurry of pain and suffering into their lives.
This isn’t the only case of a photo finishing company doing this. What the hell is wrong with these companies that they feel they can figure out reasoning and context for a picture and then cause the separation of families based on that?!?
Do you have any idea the amount of pain caused by breasts in the form of men walking into sign-posts, tripping over the pavement, or getting slapped by their wives and/or girlfriends? Breasts won’t hurt you indeed. They’re a public menace, is what they are.
I don’t think that the clerk at Eckert made a horrible call: it’s a slightly ambigous situation, since according to the article there WERE other photos on the role ofthe two adults in a sexual context. Again, it’s only a slightly ambigous situation, but the clerk should err on the side of caution: some 17 year ol making minimum wage isn’t the person to decide these things.
Who DID fuck up were the cops involved. There was nothing wrong with dropping by and asking a few questions: that’s what they are supposed to do. If they had gone over and confirmed that the child was still breastfeeding, then it should have, without a doubt, ended there.
The fact that the child wasn’t still breatfeeding is a little odd. At that point they should have backed off and found some people from Peru to ask if a brestfeeding shot really is a standard pose for Peruvian baby photos. Assuming it is (and I see no reason to doubt the people quoted in the article), they should have dropped the whole matter.
They should not have searched the whole house. But if they were going to, once they did and found nothing else to even hint at the possiblilty of abuse, they should have most definitly let it drop. It’s really this step that I find truely outragous, and it seems to me that the whole thing crossed from simple idiocy to actual harrassment.
The subject of the OP is being discussed in GD. As for the Idaho link, I do sympathize with the people who voted against the law. While a woman has the right to breast feed her child of course, and it’s healthier for the baby, it is sort of gross, frankly. I mean, we’re talking about somebody secreting liquid from their body here, and generally, bodily fluids are kind of private things. You know, it’s not generally considered appropriate to urinate or drool in public, and it’s sort of disconcerting when someone bleeds or vomits publicly.
And most women, when breastfeeding, don’t just “whip it out” or pull off their blouses. Most women, when breastfeeding, expose just enough skin to not smother the baby with their clothing and attach the kid to the nipple.
How, exactly, is this any more disgusting than you eating your lunch in public?
It’s rather unsanitary when someone vomits, bleeds, urinates or drools in public. There is slightly less risk of damage to the local environment, so to speak, from breast milk;)
Unless, of course, you weren’t drawing a parallel from those four activities to breast feeding:D
I don’t know that this is so ultra clear cut. if the kid isn’t actually breast feeding… there is a point where it becomes getting your kid to suck on your nipples. and the fact the other pictures were of the parents have sex and the kid touching his genitals… sort of get me to suspect the roll of film had a sexual theme to it, which makes me lean slightly to belive that it was more a ‘picture of a kid sucking a womans nipple’ picture and not a ‘breast feeding’ picture. even if the two photos would have been identical… the context seems important, the rest of the photos were less than innosent, so a possiblity that that one wasn’t either.
Well, I certianly don’t think its fair that breastfeeding mothers should be reduced to breastfeeding in bathrooms, etc. but if there is one thing I learned its that you can’t force people to accept something, no matter how mundane or natural it is. If a woman is discreet, there shouldn’t be a problem.
Yeah, right, like women take off their shirt to nurse a baby. Most women wear T-Shirt style shirts that can easily be lifted up so the baby can nurse without exposing Mom’s whole body. They also wear nursing bras that have a flap that drops down for easy access, so she also doesn’t have to take off her whole bra.
It’s also not something you can do in 5 minutes, so suggesting they go in the bathroom is out of the question.
I bet 99% of nursing women could breastfeed a baby at the next table and you’d never even know it. I used to lightly drape a blanket across my shoulder and around my child’s head so no one would “see” and be offended.
Yeah, right, like women take off their shirt to nurse a baby. Most women wear T-Shirt style shirts that can easily be lifted up so the baby can nurse without exposing Mom’s whole body. They also wear nursing bras that have a flap that drops down for easy access, so she also doesn’t have to take off her whole bra.
It’s also not something you can do in 5 minutes, so suggesting they go in the bathroom is out of the question.
I bet 99% of nursing women could breastfeed a baby at the next table and you’d never even know it. I used to lightly drape a blanket across my shoulder and around my child’s head so no one would “see” and be offended.
Why would SoP in Peru be a determining factor? This family had been seperated for over a year as the father worked in the US trying to save money to bring the others to the country. The fact that he missed that part of his child’s life and wanted to re-create a second of what he missed and preserve it via photo sounds perfectly natural to me. I have pictures of my children breastfeeding. Some of them are very precious to me.
For anyone interested, here is the GD thread. A factiod I haven’t seen mentioned here. The couple’s children were taken and placed in foster care when the charges were first pressed. The case was thrown out of the courts months ago, but the children are still being kept from the family. A big part of the state’s justification for keeping the children from the parents is the “they were under investigation for child pornography!” Obviously this reason doesn’t hold water, so why are they still being treated as if they were sex offenders? Why are they being asked to submit to psychological evaluation and their children being kept from them? Some more info on a fund that has been set up to help the family out is in the GD thread, first post on page 2. The state has apparently really fallen down on making this immigrant family feel welcome and wanted in this country and my wife and I feel that we, as individuals, should do what we can in the way of pressuring the government and relieving some of their burden.
Various things baffle me in life. One of them is that in any discussion of breastfeeding, any at all, there is always, always, someone who stammers out something like, “Yeah, well, some of us just don’t like to be in a restaurant and have some woman stand up on a table, yodel, rip off her blouse, and thrusts her heaving bosom with some baby dangling lamprey-like into the floodlights!” Then some people, being sane, point out that no mother in the history of the world has breastfed in such a manner. Towel-draping and such is mentioned.
The next thread that occurs, the same process happens. It’s the sort of thing that makes me suspect that language isn’t really not about communication after all.
One of the more depressing things about this particular case, besides the most immediate “ripping a family apart for no good reason” thing, is that while the CPS responsible is expending various man-hours and bureaucratic effort to cover its ass and obfuscate, those are man-hours and effort that could actually be applied to easing some of the very real suffering of children that it’s supposedly about helping.
