British Telecom Openworld Is Closed

British Telecom offers various packages for Internet access. Their product range comes under the name of BT Openworld, a name calculated to send shivers down the spine of all BT Customers, or anyone else for that matter.

One of the services BT Openworld provides, to employ a euphemism, goes by the name of BT Anytime. I pay £14.99 per month for the privilege of using this service, which I signed on to in June of this year. For this payment I can use BT Anytime anytime, 24 hours per day, seven days per week, except when it is not available.

Until 11 days ago there were no real problems with Internet access. I had two dial-up numbers to choose from, so if I experienced an error dialling one of these numbers, I just used the second number. The line would drop from time to time, but not to an extent which annoyed me greatly. So far, so good.

On 17 September, as previously advised by letter, one of these numbers was discontinued and the other one was changed, so I now have one access number.

From day one of the change it has proved impossible to connect to the Internet at peak times, say between 5.30 and 11.00 in the evening. When I can connect, the incidence of my line dropping is worse than formerly by a factor of about 10.

Since I cannot use BT Anytime at anytime in the evening, and since I have important messages to post on SDMB, without which the entire membership of SDMB would breathe a sigh of relief, I am using metered dialup during the hours of BT Anytime’s Notime.

I have support numbers I can call, and call them I did.

Let us identify these numbers, just to pluck three random names out of the air, as Bullshit#1, Bullshit#2 and Bullshit#3.

Bullshit#1 accepts calls relating to problems specifically relating to the change of access number. The cost of a call is National Rate. I don’t know the exact charge per minute, but it is relatively inexpensive.

Bullshit#2 is a technical support line. It is a Premium Rate number, and costs £0.50 per minute.

Bullshit3 is a billing helpline, and is another National Rate number.

My first call goes to Bullshit#1 who, after I have described the situation, tells me I have a software configuration problem. I suspect Bullshit#1 is bullshitting, but I try his recommended solution.

This fails.

My second call also goes to Bullshit#1 (Different Bullshitter), who tells me to call Bullshit#2. I point out that a) I had no access problems before 17 September and b) the access only fails in the evenings and c) Bullshit#2 is an expensive way to get help for a problem which is not my fault.

Of course, all the time I have suspected the difficulties are due to congestion, because it does not require a Rocket Scientist to add one and one to get, er, two.

I explain this to Bullshit#1, who notes my point but decides to give me another software fix anyway.

This fails also.

My third call goes to Bullshit#1 (Yet Another Bullshitter), and this time I tell him that a fix is the last thing I need. Well, a software fix anyway, because I am wishing I had something to relax me, such as a spliff, or maybe a punchbag with BT Openworld stencilled on it.

Bullshit#1 again tells me to call Bullshit#2 (£0.50 per minute) and this time I agree, because I feel like talking to someone different, preferably someone with a Brain.

My fourth call goes to Bullshit#2 (£0.50 per minute) and I spend about £2.00 explaining their problem to him.

Bullshit#2 admits that there is a problem with Internet access, which engineers are looking at. I ask him if the problem is due to volume of traffic, and he says he cannot tell me what the problem is. I ask him again what the problem is and he says General Technical Difficulties.

I ask Bullshit#2 to define these difficulties, and he tells me that they are General Technical Ones.

I ask him for his full name. He says he cannot divulge it. I ask him where he is based. He says he is In the Midlands. I ask him where In The Midlands. He says In The Midlands.

I ask Bullshit#2 if I can speak to a supervisor. He says No. The supervisor doesn’t get in until 6pm. (It is now 5.30pm). I ask him to speak to a supervisor and tell him I require a return call within the hour.

Bullshit#2 tells me that One hour is not possible. How about 48 hours?

I politely ask Bullshit#2 what sort of fucking company he is working for anyway. My partner, who is eavesdropping on this call (She is an accountant. All she can hear is expenditure clocking up on the call), tells me to chill out. I ignore this piece of irrelevence and continue my amicable conversation with Bullshit#2.

Eventually, I manage to convey my dissatisfaction sufficiently to get Bullshit#2 to promise a return call from a supervisor within the hour.

My Premium Rate call costs me £10.50.

Magically, the telephone rings within the hour. It is Bullshit#2 (No Supervisor But The Same Person). I am displeased, but I apologise for my previous outburst, as I know he is only following orders.

Bullshit#2 tells me that having spoken to a supervisor, there is nothing they can do. He tells me to call Bullshit#1 again. My reaction to this suggestion can be described as either slightly disappointed or fucking annoyed, take your pick.

My fifth call goes to Bullshit#1 (Bullshitter#4) and I have to explain everything which has gone down with Bullshit#2.

I ask him for his full name, which he refuses to give me. I ask him where he works, and he won’t even tell me he is based In The Midlands, which I happen to know anyway, because I have a good memory and anyway, I have written it down somewhere.

This time, I explain that I want a postal address. I wish to send a letter of mild complaint, via Registered Mail, because I am Bored With The Whole Thing.

Bullshit#2 tells me to send an email.

I explain that I need to attach appendices to my letter, and I do not have a scanner. (This is a lie). Bullshit#2 goes away and leaves me listening to some music (Greensleeves) and returns after two minutes. He tells me that a letter is no good. I will get the same response as I would if I sent an email.

I explain that I need to attach appendices to my letter, and I do not have a scanner. I wish to type the letter, sign it, attach the appendices (using a stapler), put everything in an envelope (A4), stick the envelope down using the gum provided for that purpose, weigh the envelope, take it to the Post Office, ask the Post Office to send the item by Registered Post, pay the fee, obtain a receipt, and lock the receipt in a safe so that nobody from BT Openworld can break in to my house and Steal It.

More Greensleeves.

Bullshit#2 (Bullshitter#5) comes on the line. I ask him if he works for MI5, and he says No. I believe him. I ask him for his name and gives me His Full Name! I fall off my chair, but I take the phone with me because I don’t want FullName! to hang up.

Fullname!, through gritted teeth, gives me a postal address in Exeter, Devon, which he says is a Customer Services address. Now, I am taken by surprise again, because Customer Services is the last thing I expect to hear in the same sentence as BT Openworld, but at least I can’t fall any further because I am still on the floor.

I rise up to my full height (5’ 9") and write down the address. I ask Fullname! where he is based, and he tells me Derby and I fall over in surprise again. (Derby is In The Midlands).

I am obviously on a roll, so I ask Fullname! for the name of his manager, which he says he cannot divulge. I ask him why all the secrecy with names and addreses. He says I would have thought it was obvious.

Oh really.

Still, two out of three isn’t bad, so after mentioning such matters as Newspapers and Bad Publicity, I hang up.

I now decide to contact Bullshit#3 (Billing) to discover the procedure for obtaining refunds. Bullshit#3 tells me his first name, but refuses to give me his surname. I tell him The Whole Story, and ask about recompense.

FirstName explains that no refunds are possible.

I point out the lack of service, and the Premium Rate Calls (£0.50 per minute) I have made, and the metered dialup calls I am making (via BT, but not BT Openworld, don’t ask), and Firstname says that engineers are working on the problem and I must Be Patient.

Patience is not what I have in mind at this time, actually.

I point out that I am paying BT Openworld for a service I am not receiving and that I am spending More Money (with BT but not BT Openworld) in order to access the Internet.

FirstName tells me he sees my point but No Refunds and Certainly No Reimbursement For Metered Dialup. I ask Firstname for the name of the Chief Executive of BT Openworld. He says he cannot reveal this information.

I tell FirstName that I know the address of MI5, the CIA, the FBI, the SAS, McDonalds, and Burger King, together with the people who run these Agencies Of Espionage (and Fast Food), so Why The Fuck can’t I be told who runs BT Openworld?

FirstName says the name might be on the Internet, but he can’t be sure.

I ask FirstName how he feels working for such a secretive and unco-operative company. Firstname says No Comment.

I mention Newspapers, Bad Publicity and Television Coverage before hanging up.

My BT Anytime (But Not All The Time) line has disconnected 9 times during the typing of this post. It’s lucky (?) that I can retain the page when this happens.

I am now going upstairs to shoot myself.

Bet you I miss.

Dude, didn’t you see it coming?

Zette

I hate BT with a passion, they seriously damaged a lot of ISP’s and call providers by delaying or ‘losing’ account information that was needed for billing purposes.

I transferred to World Online which should have taken less than 2 weeks, 4 months later BT finally passed the relevant information on.This resulted in a large accumulation of bills all in one lump. World Online no longer provide this service, hardly surprising.

BT promised ADSL but last I heard, over 9 months later, they still hadn’t got it up and running yet they had been taking advance orders all that time.
Methinks it was a ploy to try and stop folk moving over to the cable companies, why transfer to another service provider if ADSL is just about to become available - but the deadline kept moving backward month by month.

I notice the mobile phone rip-off they were promoting very heavily has stopped now that consumer groups have caught up with them, when you take your mobile phone aboad on holiday they were promoting its use however they never explained how the cost sructure worked, which involves the cost of two international phone lines at premium rates, the cost is a thing of wonder at over £10 per minute.
BT is supposed to be something of a national institution and a leader in its field - not a two bit cowboy outfit, in fact its a multi-billion £ cowboy outfit.

I jumped the moment cable became available in my area and haven’t looked back, my phone bills are much reduced, my connection is fast, I don’t have to wait for dialup and it is reliable.

BT - a hearty fuck you to you!!!

When I lived in England I hated, hated, hated BT with a fucking passion. I feel your pain, even though I’m sure you can’t even read this cause those assholes cut you off again!

I would advise everyone in the UK to switch to Cable & Wireless if you can - yeah, they suck too, but to a much, much lesser degree.

A well-composed rant; somewhere between Simon Travaglia and Douglas Adams.

Thank you for a much-needed laugh.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post for three reasons: [ul]1) it was funny[/ul] [ul]2) not too obsecne but still conveyed your extreme annoyance[/ul] [ul]3) I have a very reliable LAN-connection (~2Mbit/s) and I’m paying 6£/month for it.[/ul]

And if you’re willing to pay the next bill on the 6th of October I just migh tell you what obsecne means.

Nostradamus old mate, I suppose you wouldn’t mind lending the gun after you have used it, would you?

I have just found this.

I am really fuming now. Not only are these people lying by omission, they are, well, lying!

They always knew that software was not the problem. Knowing this, they told me to call a Premium Rate Line.

In so advising me, they knew I would be wasting my time and money.

They knew all along that traffic volumes were the problem.

They offered me an unlimited service, found that I was using this service and now they don’t want me as a customer!

Someone is going to suffer for this.

I think, therealblaze, I am going to need that gun.

It may not be any consolation, and it may not be applicable where you live, but I’ve been using Cable London’s dial-up service (which is available nationally through Telewest as SurfUnlimited) for over a year now, and I don’t have a single complaint. They’ve even stopped the auto-disconnect. I’d recommend switching to them if you can.

Crusoe, I live in East Gloucestershire which is definitely In The Sticks.

No Cable.

No Broadband.

Handy, I think it was, suggested a satellite modem, but this looks expensive.

However, because I am now itching for revenge, I’m going to check it out again.

Thanks anyway.

Ah, fair enough. I don’t use broadband, so that would be nice. Openworld sounds pretty terrible, though – did you see BT was already slapped on the wrists by the ASA this week for claiming their Anytime service was reliable?

Yes Crusoe I noted that one.

At least the ASA has some balls. It quite reasonably stops BT Openworld from advertising Bt Anytime when it clearly is not Anytime, it is Some Of The Time.

I just contacted Oftel. They will refer my complaint to BT Openworld. I should expect a response from BT Openworld in three working days. I imagine that is the flight time of a Carrier Pigeon between Exeter and East Gloucestershire. With a favourable wind.

Great.

I am going to look at http://www.net4nowt.com, which the guy from Oftel gave me as a source for alternative ISP’s.

I also have the name of the Chief Executive of BT Openworld, but no phone number, unfortunately.

Such is life.

Nostradamus - I’m there, lets storm the damn barricades. Absolutely hate Thatcher’s evil bastard child with a passion.
My very deep sympathies - nice rant.

Nostradamus, Handy was spot on. Go and have a look at http://www.skystorm.net/ if £15 a month for a 400k connection sounds good.

Gary Kumquat, you are a star. Handy also. Consider me signed up as soon as possible.

Excellent.

And to casdave, leander, apotheosis, therealblaze, crusoe, London_Calling and Zette, many thanks for the supporting posts.

I love this board.

Of course, the downside is that Nostradamus, when suitably kitted out, will have totally unrestricted access to these forums.

Oh dear.

This may be a dumb question, but is BT government owned and run, or is it a private company?

It used to be public but is now private. Previously it was the only phone company.

BT Internet blow goats!!

Never mind that when I first signed up for their rotten service in April 2000 I was being charged for the phone calls when I thought I wasn’t because the stupid leaflet they sent didn’t explain how to get the free call dialler properly and me being dim and inexperienced with technical things got an enormous phone bill and a pair of furious parents to deal with (thanks BT! Now go and fucking die already!)

And also that I got disconnected about 4 times an hour, often I would connect and then be cut off literally immeadiately afterwards-which when you were downloading a really rare song on Napster that you might never see again or you were having an IM conversation with someone was a real annoyance to say the least…

And also that they had hidden charges galore like line rental etc, that were never mentioned in their promotional literature and of course leads to more fury from the parental units at phone bill time…bleh.

And that they shunted me onto some blacklist because they deemed me to be on too often (~even though I was bloody paying for it!) and forced me to use the dial up number that the bad evil and thorougly disobedient * heavy users* like my evil self had to use that never bloody worked

About a week ago my dialup number just stopped working, my username and password was invalid it said. Which threw me into a right panic as I have several online friendships that are very important to me, Not to mention the first and only romantic relationship in my life, for which online communication is extremely important-that was all about to be destroyed because of the fucking bastards at BT I was not happy. The only number that would work was the one you paid for and not wanting to be killed by my mother when the phone bill next arrives I was in a pickle…
So anyway I signed up with AOL. And I am merrily squandering my 100 free hours right now! I can stay on for two hours and not be cut off once! If this was BT I would have been cut off about six times by now, and it is divine I can tell you!(I could never post long posts on message boards for fear I would be cut off and not be able to get on again and lose my posts) And a free technical helpline! AOL urinate over BT from a great distance.

I never wanted to do Anytime anyway. I wanted to do Surftime which was cheaper but the poxy Surftime dialler never worked for some reason, I got a ‘point to point protocol failiure’ whatever that was.

Oh and when we rung up the Technical line (and paying a flipping fortune for the priviledge too) they told us to ring Billing. When we rang Billing they told us to phone the Technical line. Hmmm, that tells you everything you need to know about BT. :mad:

Blimey, Infectious. That was by no means a rant but a catharsis. The treatment you take from BT is nothing but disgraceful. I hope and trust AOL proves a better supplier, make no mistake.

If Gary Kumquat reads this post, or anyone else who has knowledge here, Skystorm is taking no more subscriptions at this time. I have emailed Skystorm requesting a new subscription resumption date, but I have another problem also.

I have a digital TV system which is fronted by a BSkyB Digibox connected with a Minidish with one lnb for that purpose.

I live in an Area Of Outstanding Natural Beauty in the Cotswold Hills. This means that the roads are patrolled by the Tidy Police, who eject incontinent dogs into the next parish and imprison residents who allow weeds in their gardens.

It also means that I must apply for planning permission from the Cotswold District Council if I wish a second dish for my PC, a procedure which could take months, and which may not be granted anyway.

They are very picky in this locality, very picky indeed. Santa Claus does not leave presents here, he checks every citizen’s Christmas Decorations for Good Taste, and reports them to the Parish Council if the Fairy At The Top Of The Tree is out of alignment.

If there is No Fairy, these citizens are transported to the USA. :slight_smile:

Anyway, this gets a bit specific, but I am looking for a supplier who provides a dish with at least 2 lnb and a modem card for my PC. It helps greatly if the supplier has a UK outlet.

(I understand that the direction and angle of the supplier’s satellite of choice must be compatible with that of BSkyB, and I can verify these details myself.)

In this way, I can swap out my existing dish for the new dish, and connect both TV and computer systems to the same dish. Hence no planning permission is required.

I go into this detail because maybe someone, in the UK I suppose, has a similar setup, or knows someone who has such a setup, and give the thumbs up for the product in case Skystorm cannot oblige with their system.

I have looked at several suppliers via Google, but this is alien technology for me, and I would prefer recommendations if that is possible.

Many thanks.