Yeah, nice one Jackmmanni, you arrive at a ridiculous conclusion after a carefully considered misreading of the posts in question. Style points, tho, for being insulting without resorting to vitriol and crude language.
Miller, I considered Bryan Ekers’ first return post as dismissive and derisive. I stand by that. Had he replied in the manner you did (polite disagreement) then I would have disagreed without anger. His response was a “written rolleyes”. Essentially “take a look at this guy, what a maroon”. I don’t mind disagreeing with someone, I will not abide being held in their contempt for no reason. I know that the “uuuh yeah” response is rude, as do you. He and I can disagree on the matter until the end of time. He certainly won’t convince me. That doesn’t excuse rudeness in Cafe Society. I didn’t think the incident was pit worthy, but when I saw a pit thread for him, I joined in. As far as the “ill-mannered, slack-jawed fuck-nut” I thought the three connected hyphenated words had a little style. I’m sure if he wants to dish it out he can create some impressive invective, so I wouldn’t worry about defending him. Finally, I stand by what I said. If Hamlet had really lived, would that make the play not literature? Notice I didn’t include Anthony? His suicide, in my experience, is not nearly as well regarded as Cleopatra’s. It was written by one (I suppose two) of the greatest writers of all time. It is not a recreation, nor is it “based on a true story”.
It’s Literature.
You are reading a huge amount into one word and a transliteration of an inarticulate grunt. I disagree entirely that Bryan Ekers initial response was rude. Curt, perhaps, but that’s hardly a crime. I disagree entirely with the assertion that “uh yeah” is uniformly rude, although it certainly can be, depending on context. I do not think it was at all rude in the context of that thread.
Oh, it was a great insult. I just think it was misdirected. Bryan’s actually a pretty cool guy, and it looks to me like your beef with him boils down to a miscommunication. I think it’s nice when these things can be settled amicably.
I’m not saying Anthony and Cleopatra isn’t literature, I’m just saying that it wasn’t (necessarily) literature for the purposes of that thread. I’m not even really wholeheartedly behind that position; I tend to agree more with yours. But I can see the merit in it, and was rebutting the idea that Bryan had failed to admit that he was wrong. He wasn’t: it was a reasonable interpretation of the intent of the OP.
Coven’s right, although it would have been clearer if she had said that she was referring to Shakespeare’s play in her first post in that thread instead of saying merely, “Cleopatra,” which made her seem to miss the point. If it’s a death in a work of literature, it’s a literary death, Cleopatra’s historicity notwithstanding.
As for the rest, there’s no evidence for psi that stands up to scrutiny, get over it. People believe in lots of silly things with no proof–astrology, reincarnation, gods disguised as Jewish carpenters–so if Snakespirit and Aeschines want to keep the faith, eh, good for them. Why deprive “psychic” con men and spiritual grifters of their prey?
You really think people are going to believe you, when they can go read the links and see for themselves how you really act in these debates?
That’s setting the bar awful low, isn’t it?
Oh, please. Her (Is it “her”? Apologies if I’m wrong.) complaint has nothing to do with your delusional little temper tantrums. Don’t even try to count her as any sort of support for your blinkered rantings.
Gang of eleven? Yeah, and we’re planning on knocking over a Vegas casino next weekend. Hey, does that make me George Clooney, or Frank Sinatra?
No, seriously, though. Paranoid much? If everyone thinks you’re an asshole, it’s not because they’ve all ganged up to get you. It’s probably just because you’re an asshole.
Actually, whatever I may have felt about you earlier, your petty grudge-holding makes you a maroon and it is now reasonable to hold you in contempt.
Take a look at this guy. What a maroon.
And actually, I’ll cheerfully concede the point that Shakespeare’s fictionalization of Cleopatra’s suicide and the related love triangle, etc. has done more to keep her name “famous” than anything else, though I’d still call the actual event a famous suicide, and only the play - which varies from the real event quite a bit - a famous literary suicide. Not being a big Shakespeare fan, myself, when someone says “Cleopatra”, I tend to think history, not drama.
Heck, I once looked back at my entire posting history and by George, I am capable of being a jerk. Go figure. I try to make up for by heaping on the helpfulness (in GQ), the insightfulness (in GQ), the trivia knowledge (in the Café), lines of amusing profanity (in the Pit) all covered in lots of nice gooey caramel-flavoured sarcasm.
By the way, Snake, we’re not heaping on the insults because we’re afraid of PSI research. The actual reason is that you’re a schmuck. I wish you’d learn to seperate the two issues.
Well, congratulations on finally admitting that your initial reaction was knee-jerk and wrong. Enjoy your own petty grudge holding. I guess I get to continue holding you in contempt.
Take a look at this guy. What a poltroon.
In any case, had you paused for thought before posting, I hardly think your initial response would have been “uh, yeah, literary”. Whatever. I still think one day you’ll realize that it was rude. Miller, the other great writer who wrote on Cleopatra’s suicide was Plutarch. His depiction was more in line with a strictly historical account, a la Bryan Ekers’ contention. Upon digging up this site, it appears that I should have said two great writers and at least one who, if not great, was certainly above the average hack. I had no idea about Daniels. D’oh! :wally What a maroon!
As far as things go, I’m starting to feel like a major hijacker of this pitting. You fellas carry on with you psychic powered pitting, sorry to interrupt.
Actually, my intitial reaction wasn’t knee-jerk or wrong. Although I admit I sometimes act like a jerk, Cleopatra clearly isn’t a literary suicide but rather a historical one which was rather famously used sa the basis of a litarary work.
I hate to break it to you, but I had totally forgotten about you until I followed the link in your earlier post. As evidence supporting my lack of grudging, if you checked every post I made after that thread (aside from this issue, there are some real gems in there, so the review might be worthwhile in and of itself), you’ll find not one of them contains a reference along the lines of “hey, guess who I met? Some maroon who thought Cleopatra’s suicide was literary! HAW-HAW HAW!”
Knock yourself out, sport.
Actually, I don’t intend to spend a whole lotta time contemplating it, grasshopper.
I’m a guy,
I’m a guy,
I’m a guy,
Got a penis that’s why.
I took my unfortunate username from the movie made by the subject of American Movie.He insits that “nah, coven sounds like oven man, it’s coven” (like the word for a small inlet or harbour with an “n” on the end). Sadly, on this board I wind up being seemingly aligned with wiccans or other neo-pagans. Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
If you haven’t seen American Movie yet, do so post-haste.
Gotta change my username.
Oh, and on preview I see that the lovely Bryan Ekers has replied, calling me “grasshopper”. Nice condescending name! Maybe when I have as big a post count as you I’ll be worthy of common decency. Until then, enjoy gargling my sack.
I can be a nice guy too, when I’m around reasonable people. I’ve found enough of them on this board, too. I have far more friends than I have enemies here. They don’t know what an asshole I can be, cause they don’t act like jerks.
Yes. Aeschines has a rare quality of honesty and integrity. If he disagrees with me, he says so. If he disagrees with anyone else, he says so. If he’s wrong, he says so; which is more than you’ve been able to do, Ekers.
New one on me. Has he ever sincerely admitted fault on anything of any significance? No, his last post in the remote viewing thread was obviously not sincere.